Bonding steel stairs

[Aquaman7]

Hello,
I’m installing a In ground polymer pool with vinyl over steel steps. How do I bond the steel steps in the pool?
Thanks,
Joe

 

[ajw22]

Bond the water which bonds the steel in the water.

 

[duckcmmndr]

Bond the water which bonds the steel in the water.

No...He is doing vinyl liner over the steel steps. Unless he develops a leak...the water should never come in contact with the steel in the steps.

You will need to attach bonding lugs to the steel step pannels and attach your 8 gauge copper wire to the bonding lugs. You also need to bond the water and if you have a stainless ladder in the pool...that should work for that, just bond the ladder. I think it has to be 8 or 9 square inches of metal in contact with the water.

 

[Aquaman7]

Will do and thank you.
Do I have to bond the rebar used to pin the polymer pool panels?

 

[duckcmmndr]

Will do and thank you.
Do I have to bond the rebar used to pin the polymer pool panels?

That is a good question...I don't think I have ever seen any info on that topic. I am guessing no...but I would like to hear from an expert since I am about to undertake the same project.

Here is a good read to give you an overview of the whole process.
Taking the Mystery Out of Equipotential Bonding Requirements for Swimming Pools - IAEI Magazine

 

[Aquaman7]

That is a good question...I don't think I have ever seen any info on that topic. I am guessing no...but I would like to hear from an expert since I am about to undertake the same project.

Here is a good read to give you an overview of the whole process.

Thank you for the article. Hopefully someone will chime in.

 

[borjis]

I'm not an expert but very familiar with bonding.
I believe the rebar does have to be bonded regardless of vinyl lining.

 

[duckcmmndr]

I'm not an expert but very familiar with bonding.
I believe the rebar does have to be bonded regardless of vinyl lining.

The rebar in the pool deck for sure does...he is talking about the rebar pins that are used to hold the bottom of the walls in place. I have never seen pics or heard of anyone bonding those.

 

[ajw22]

@jimmythegreek thoughts on what needs to be bonded?

 

[Aquaman7]

Thank you duc, bor and aj for reaching out to jimmy.
Does the rebar and metal stake have to be bonded. It’s a polymer panel pool. I’ve attached a picture of the two.

 

[jimmythegreek]

It does not. It has to be able to make contact to be considered bomdable. The collar it will ne encased in is buried. I've never had an inspector even mention it

 

[Aquaman7]

There ya go. The expert has spoken.

Thank you Jimmy.

 

[Aquaman7]

Just one follow up question. Does the bonding wire go into the sub panel?

 

[jimmythegreek]

Bonding and ground are seperate systems. Bonding has nothing in common with ground around a pool. Only place it touches is in the UL light Jbox amd possibly in wet niche on certain styles

 

[borjis]

Attach it to your pump motor bonding lug.
Also to your heater bonding lug, if you have a heater.

 

[Aquaman7]

Just so I’m not confused. Bonding attaches to anything metal within 5 feet of the water and also pump, heater, SWG?

 

[jimmythegreek]

Anything with a bonding lug
Heater
Pump
Automation panel
Light niche
Steel wall pool in 4 spots.
Rebar in concrete deck 4 spots (rebar must be wire tied)
A #8 ring around any pool deck of pavers or tile 18-24" out (ring must have 4 or more equally spaced tie backs to the steel pool panels)
Any handrails or ladders
UL listed Jbox
Anything metal within 5ft of pool
(FYI some inspectors actually look for the DB stamp on the lugs that will be buried. These are called direct burial, look the same as regular ones, but have the stamp)
I think that's everything......

 

[Aquaman7]

Anything with a bonding lug
Heater
Pump
Automation panel
Light niche
Steel wall pool in 4 spots.
Rebar in concrete deck 4 spots
A #8 ring around any pool deck of pavers or tile 18-24" out
Any handrails or ladders
UL listed Jbox
Anything metal within 5ft of pool
I think that's everything

Wow. Well put Jimmy. Thank you.