Bonding issues please help

colleen4o6

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Hello,
I have a Carvin BlackRock resin pool and can not get it bonded.
Just to give some background About three weeks ago I felt a sting on one of my fingers that has a cut and a few days later felt a zap.

I called the Electrician that did the work he came out and said it was the pool pump because he disconnected the ground wire and it stopped happening.

I got a replacement pump stuck my hand in the water and got shocked. He came out the next day and ran a bonding plate in my skimmer basket that went down to the copper wire that runs all the way around the pool.

Today I stuck my hand in the pool and felt a light sting on my hand.

Can someone give me some insight? I feel totally defeated by this pool.
 

cj133

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May 6, 2018
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He said it must be the pool pump because he disconnected it's ground, and it stopped happening?
I don't know what to say about that other than it doesn't seem to make sense but I wasn't there.

But I'd have someone inspect your electrical service and have a look at how it's grounded. Perhaps you or a neighbor have something going on causing voltage on your ground.
Do you have city water?
 

colleen4o6

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Solaxx (Saltron) Reliant / Purechlor R4
He said it must be the pool pump because he disconnected it's ground, and it stopped happening?
I don't know what to say about that other than it doesn't seem to make sense but I wasn't there.

But I'd have someone inspect your electrical service and have a look at how it's grounded. Perhaps you or a neighbor have something going on causing voltage on your ground.
Do you have city water?
So it turns out the pool installer didnt install the grounding tether for the walls. Apparently the electrician called them. And the installer said the black rock pools dont need them.
I just email carvin and they sent me instructions. Am I going to have to empty my pool to do this ?
 

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colleen4o6

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He said it must be the pool pump because he disconnected it's ground, and it stopped happening?
I don't know what to say about that other than it doesn't seem to make sense but I wasn't there.

But I'd have someone inspect your electrical service and have a look at how it's grounded. Perhaps you or a neighbor have something going on causing voltage on your ground.
Do you have city water?
I do have city water
 

cj133

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May 6, 2018
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NJ
I would have that service looked at.
You shouldn't be getting any kind of feeling from ground regardless of if the pool is bonded or not.

I'm told you can get voltage on a water pipe if a neighbor or yourself has a neutral issue and if the city water pipe is your only ground it could explain it.
 

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Stray voltages are part of the modern outdoor environment. It is very difficult to find out where the voltage source is. And the power company accepts some voltage is lost to the ground and is not concerned with fixing the leakage.

Bonding is supposed to bring everything you touch in and within 5 feet of the pool to "equipotential". As long as everything you touch within 5 feet of the pool is at the same voltage then no voltage will flow through your body.

So the points where your body were touching when you felt the zaps are not properly bonded to create the equipotential.

Minimum code requires the pool be bonded at four points and be connected to a bonding wires buried a few inches under ground around the pool. That is minimum code and some folks have lobbied the NEC that copper bonding mesh around the pool should be required.

My advice is to forget about trying to find the voltage. Upgrade the pool bond to greater then code requirements and create a truly equipotential environment around the pool.


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colleen4o6

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Brick, NJ
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Hello,
I have a Carvin BlackRock resin pool and can not get it bonded.
Just to give some background About three weeks ago I felt a sting on one of my fingers that has a cut and a few days later felt a zap.

I called the Electrician that did the work he came out and said it was the pool pump because he disconnected the ground wire and it stopped happening.

I got a replacement pump stuck my hand in the water and got shocked. He came out the next day and ran a bonding plate in my skimmer basket that went down to the copper wire that runs all the way around the pool.

Today I stuck my hand in the pool and felt a light sting on my hand.

Can someone give me some insight? I feel totally defeated by this pool.
So I called the pool manufacturer and they said that I needed to ground it with a tether attached to the seam of the pool.
I had the pool installer come in attach the tether to the seam of the pool the electrician came out and attached the tether to the bonding wire.
WE ARE STILL GETTING SHOCKED!
I feel totally defeated I don’t know that I’ll ever be pleased my pool.
At this point I really just want to drain it.

The only other thing the electrician suggested was a grounding rod?
 

toolerb50

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Maybe a defect in your pool pump and can you exchange it for another from your place of purchase?

 

colleen4o6

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Maybe a defect in your pool pump and can you exchange it for another from your place of purchase?

I already replaced it once.
I was standing outside the pool with sneakers on and my hand in the pool felt nothing.
Took my shoes off stood barefoot on the ground (dirt) stuck my hand in the pool and felt the zap.
 

colleen4o6

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Jul 26, 2022
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Brick, NJ
Pool Size
14000
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Vinyl
Chlorine
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Solaxx (Saltron) Reliant / Purechlor R4
Stray voltages are part of the modern outdoor environment. It is very difficult to find out where the voltage source is. And the power company accepts some voltage is lost to the ground and is not concerned with fixing the leakage.

Bonding is supposed to bring everything you touch in and within 5 feet of the pool to "equipotential". As long as everything you touch within 5 feet of the pool is at the same voltage then no voltage will flow through your body.

So the points where your body were touching when you felt the zaps are not properly bonded to create the equipotential.

Minimum code requires the pool be bonded at four points and be connected to a bonding wires buried a few inches under ground around the pool. That is minimum code and some folks have lobbied the NEC that copper bonding mesh around the pool should be required.

My advice is to forget about trying to find the voltage. Upgrade the pool bond to greater then code requirements and create a truly equipotential environment around the pool.


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I have an above ground pool this will work for that?
 

VinnyinNJ

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Is your water bonded? We just bought a pool and was asking questions and apparently today they use a plate in the skimmer to bond the water to the bonding system. This is from the pool store not an electrician. I looked at my Township requirements and it's in there as well.
 

ajw22

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Is your water bonded? We just bought a pool and was asking questions and apparently today they use a plate in the skimmer to bond the water to the bonding system. This is from the pool store not an electrician. I looked at my Township requirements and it's in there as well.
Yes, all pools need a water bond.

 

VinnyinNJ

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Yes, all pools need a water bond.

This is something new to me, our last pool which was put up quite a while ago only had 1 upright bonded to the pump. As I was researching for the new pool I saw this mentioned but unaware it was a NEC requirement these days.
 

colleen4o6

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Is your water bonded? We just bought a pool and was asking questions and apparently today they use a plate in the skimmer to bond the water to the bonding system. This is from the pool store not an electrician. I looked at my Township requirements and it's in there as well.
I have a bonding ring around the pool and a bonding plate in the skimmer.
I also have a bonding cord that’s attached to a nut on the pools that is then connected to the bonding ring.

I turned the breaker off in the house for the pool stuck my hand in and still got zapped
 

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