Thanks for the clarification. You wouldn’t want to mess with it then.I so greatly wish I could, but with the current setup TFP cannot. Because we're offering the App in the various App stores and we're using their setup to handle all payments TFP must comply with the various rules set by the different stores. Unless it's a discount put forth through their setup, it's a royal pain to offer discounts and if they catch you making multiple alterations to users accounts off the App store you run the risk of them pulling your developers license.
?I just wanted to jump in here about the value of the Pool Math app. I mentioned in another thread that my husband was a programmer. He wrote an app for my business that was also connected to a server. After he died I had to let that app go because apps require constant maintenance just to keep working. I felt I had enough demand to try to have the app redeveloped.
It was an eye opening process. My first developer choice was a disaster. I wasted a year and lost a lot of customers. I decided to give it one more try but this time, I used what I had learned to better vet developers. I went very slowly and methodically. I wrote a 35 page app specs "brief" to explain exactly what the old app did. I interviewed several developers. All of them were positive they could do what I needed but I also listened to my gut/intuition and my B.S. meter.
That second attempt app finally launched this past December. I paid 6 figures for the development alone and my monthly maintenance fee is shocking. The app server monthly fee feels like a drop in the bucket compared to what my developer gets paid. I still believe in this app but it's going to take some time to recoup the cost.
Long story short - I learned the true value of what my husband created. His genius of being able to do this all by himself when now I have a team working on it. And he was very cheap labor.
Someday I hope to hire a full time developer - but I know it's not easy to find someone who can do it all, and do it well.
So whoever you have developing the app for you - my hat is off to them, and you. I now know what an undertaking it is to pull this off.
And the annual fee for the Pool Math app is a bargain!
I am not surprised at the hours you have put into this app.?
First of all, I'm sorry for your loss. I REALLY appreciate this story, and to see your understanding and appreciation of your husband's work.
I also felt really compelled to reply to this post, so here it goes:
I'm the developer on the app here ?. We did things a little bit differently since *I* approached TFP initially after I installed my own pool and realized there weren't great options for apps to help with the maintenance. After learning the TFP method I decided I could definitely use my skills to make a better app for managing pools, and that it would be fun, and that it might be a really good thing for both myself and the TFP community. I also set out knowing that it's a TON of work to build and maintain an app. At this point I have lost track of the many hundreds of hours I've put into the app. If I had to guess it's nearing the 1000 hour mark all told. Let's just say it makes a lot of sense why your app rewrite cost six figures. If I were simply building the Pool Math app as a job, and billing developer rates, Pool Math would easily be there too.
I definitely enjoy the work, and am happy to build something I and the community can use, but I'll admit the hope all along was also to be make a bit of extra spending/vacation money from it, and to have TFP benefit with some additional revenue too - after all TFP is the reason I learned how to care for my pool this way to begin with.
And... this is happening! So, thank you to everyone who subscribes to and uses the app! You're all the reason I get to spend lots of my spare time maintaining and improving the app, and even justifying it a bit to my wife too ?! You're all the reason the servers get to keep running for the app. You're also helping (along with the generous TFP donators) TFP improve itself with the new site, new videos, and more to come! THANK YOU!
Admittedly, it's really frustrating when someone leaves a one star review because they don't like having to pay for the app. Or they think they should pay less, or they think it should only cost them a one time amount. Seeing a post like yours makes it all worth it! I wish more people understood that server costs and app maintenance is an ongoing thing, and that while some people might want an option to not store their data in the cloud, most don't, and it's no small feat to support everyone's preference with limited time and budget. I wish more people understood that there is no diabolical plan to exploit their pool's historical FC log data and bleach purchases. I wish people who spend hundreds of dollars a year on their pool didn't feel that an extra $7.99 was the tipping point.
I'm the lone developer actually writing code for the app, but I should also mention how immensely helpful and absolutely invaluable @Leebo is in helping design what the app will do, how it will function, and how it will work (by the way, we make an excellent team together on this - seriously, you can't practice or train to get the natural synergy we have working on this).
So again, thank you for your post. I hope more people can read this, can understand the amazing folks that make up the TFP community, and TFP itself. You just made my day
@LeeboIf someone shows me how to subscribe, I will also become a supporter; how's that?!?
Is there any way you can either send me a private message or email to [email protected] and I'll gladdly help you out. I suspect the fix is simple but it'll take me getting some info I suspect you'd prefer not to share in the open forum. Drop me a message or email and we'll get you all setup.Maybe someone can help me out. I recently got the Pool Math app from the Microsoft store for my Windows 10 PC. I was surprised there was no cost for the app-yes, free! Now I have it, but can't upgrade to the premium subscription because it does not recognize me as a subscriber. Since I paid nothing, I don't believe I SHOULD qualify as a subscriber. How do I become a subscriber? I've been trying for 5 days to figure this out by reading posts, etc., all to no avail. If someone shows me how to subscribe, I will also become a supporter; how's that?!? Thanks for the BEST pool site/forum ever!