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    Rough Plaster- Now with pictures!

    I opened my spa and pool for the 1st time this month. I started the BBB method last year. I drained the spa for winter, but the cover leaked and it filled 3/4 up over the winter/spring seasons. It filled up to, but not over the top step (this is relevant later). I chlorine shocked it clear (using way to much chlorine, I used a 1lb bag in an 1100 gal spa). I used a test strip before shocking (yes, I am a sinner) and the PH was way over 8. I used muriatic acid to bring it down to 6.8 before I shocked it.

    The problem is the plastic (3M colorquartz) feels like 40 grit sandpaper (no discoloration). It is rough up to the top step- so I am guessing it occured over the winter with the high PH. How do I fix this????

    Current test (using a Taylor K-2006-.......... I have repented)
    Water temp 98 degrees, outside air temp 68 degree (wife was enjoying the spa while I was testing)
    FC- 7.4
    CC- 0
    CYA- 65
    PH- 7.8 (I did add some sodium carbonate to bring the PH up a little last week- I just added 2.5 oz of Muriatic to bring it down)
    TA- 70
    CH- 170


    I stepped into my 57 degree pool down three steps and they are not rough(I do not drain the pool over the winter)- I have not gone all the way in the pool yet as it is just now clearing and coming down from it opening week of shock. It's reading are:

    FC 11.4
    CC- .5
    CYA- 100
    PH- 7.0
    TA- 80
    CH- 140

    I am located in Maryland.

    So- help.... how do I get my spa plaster smooth again??

    Thank you

    MIke S.
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    Your pool's calcium saturation index is quite low and that could be causing problems. Given how low TA and CH are, high PH in the spa might not be a problem right now. More likely the PH got low in the spa at some point and there was plaster damage.
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    Can I chemically reduce/reverse the damage? How about abrading the surface with one of those cleaning stones that are normally used on the tile coping? I suppose the last resort is to redo the plaster.....
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    It actually appears the roughness is caused by small round ?????? balls. Any ideas? Plaster? Calcium? I can scrape them off with a soapstone- but a wire brush does not dislodge them. They are on there pretty good.







    I am open to any and all suggestions. Thanks.
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    That looks like a fairly mild case of calcium scaling. The PH must have been rather high at some point. The simplest thing might be to try and polish it off with a pumice stone.
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    Thanks Jason. I am doing that- a little at a time. Is there a way to prevent further accurances?

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    Is there a way to prevent further accurances?
    control your pH. Scaling seldom occurs at pH below 7.6. Also keep your calcium level manageable. Have you posted that test result?
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    Quote Originally Posted by duraleigh
    Is there a way to prevent further accurances?
    control your pH. Scaling seldom occurs at pH below 7.6. Also keep your calcium level manageable. Have you posted that test result?
    By calcium level I assume you mean calcium hardness? Here are my latest Taylor K-2006 test results:

    Spa:
    CH 170
    PH 7.4
    TA 110
    CYA 50
    FC 7.5
    CC 0

    Pool (where I really don't want to have a problemthat I have to scape...)
    CH 80
    PH 7.4
    TA 70
    CYA 70
    FC 3.0 (need to add bleach)
    CC 0

    I believe the CYA in the pool is more accuate now that the water is clear.
    Thanks
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    Your TA level in the spa is kind of high. Running the spa jets with TA up there is going to make the PH rise fairly rapidly. High PH is what causes the scaling, so it would be a good idea to get the TA level down to perhaps 70 and watch PH closely until then.
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