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    Indoor or not?? Now new and improved with pictures!

    I purchased a home with a pool that is in what my wife calls an Atrium. The pool is oval 12x20x4 and the room it is in is 30x40 and is attached to the house. It is not a conditioned space. The perimiter of the room is made out of sliding glass doors and fixed glass panels (3 sliders and 16 panels). The roof of the Atrium is about 45' slope and has a ~20x20 glass sectioned panel. The room faces southeast so we get plenty of light in the afternoon. With good sun the room has been about 20' warmer than it is outside. We just purchased the house in December so I am waiting to see how the room is in the summer. I would imagine it will be very hot and very humid. I am planning on installing an attic fan in the end wall of the room to help with ventilation.

    We have drained the pool and are in the process of some repairs and painting right now. I will be filling the pool in the next couple of weeks and need to know...

    When I start treating this pool should I consider it an indoor or outdoor pool? I guess the main difference would be the amount of CYA to use or whether to use it at all. I have ordered the test kit that everyone recommends here and will be posting for some detailed help when I have the water in but in the mean time I am trying to prepare and make sure that I have everything on hand to give the BBB method a try.

    If I should use CYA how much should I try to maintain?

    Thanks for the help!
    20x12X4 Oval Fiberglass walls and concrete bottom.
    Pool is in an unconditioned atrium. (being remodeled)
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    cant help much but just want to say welcome and it would be cool to see some pics please. even mid remodel ones.

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    That is essentially an indoor pool. I suggest trying a low CYA level, perhaps 20 ppm. CYA can help an indoor pool be easier to manage and it sounds like you might get a little direct sunlight now and then, which CYA can help with as well.
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    Let's see if we can add some pics...







    These were taken before any work was done. The prior owners filled the pool and threw in 6 3" pucks and said "There you go".

    We later found out the pool was leaking. We think we found the leak and have fixed it. We decided to paint the pool as well since the fiberglass was very stained and would not come clean. This also gave me the opportunity to clean out all the old permaseal from the seams and replace it prior to priming.

    We are now waiting for the weather to cooperate a little more and then we can finish painting. You are probably wondering why we would need to wait for the weather on an indoor pool. Well there are a number of leaks from poor flashing on the roof. I will be fixing those soon as well.
    20x12X4 Oval Fiberglass walls and concrete bottom.
    Pool is in an unconditioned atrium. (being remodeled)
    3/4 HP Hayward Pro Pump. Tankless Water Heater.
    Hayward S180T Sand Filter.

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    The whole place looks amazing! Keep us posted with pix!
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    yea please, it looks cool. in your remodel i would have a new roof and windows put in. add those heat bars on the ceiling and bam you have a year round pool.

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    A repair of the roof should suffice. The fixed panes of the windows are actually just slider panels and we are going to be filling them in with plywood and covering the outside of them with stone. This will give us a little more privacy and should be more cost effective than repacing all of the windows.

    Here are some pictures of our project so far.

    It took two days with hair dryers and scrapers to get the old nasty sticker off.





    Teenagers actually helping!



    We have the primer coat on and have let it dry for about 5 days. We will be painting this weekend. The wife chose dark blue. We are doing white on the coping and the relief pattern above the water line.

    Hopefully we will be ready for water next weekend! I got my test kit and am ready to go.
    20x12X4 Oval Fiberglass walls and concrete bottom.
    Pool is in an unconditioned atrium. (being remodeled)
    3/4 HP Hayward Pro Pump. Tankless Water Heater.
    Hayward S180T Sand Filter.

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    looks great and your off to an awsome start. thanks for the pics.

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    Great progress. Thanks for sharing the process with us...........and teenagers helping!
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    Thanks for the kind words!

    Here are a few more pics...

    Shallow end...



    Finished...



    We used white Epoxy on the top and Dark Blue Epoxy on the bottom.

    Sorry about the mess. I will put up some finished pictures when everything is done and gussied up. Now I have to fix my filter problem (as is being talked about int eh equipment area). I broke my filter trying to get things working.

    This pool is getting to be more expensive than the boat!
    20x12X4 Oval Fiberglass walls and concrete bottom.
    Pool is in an unconditioned atrium. (being remodeled)
    3/4 HP Hayward Pro Pump. Tankless Water Heater.
    Hayward S180T Sand Filter.

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    Beautiful blue! Mess? Who can make something nice without first making a mess?

    Can't wait to see the finished product.........
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    Wow! That's turning out really nice looking. It'll be fun to be able to swim in that pool with snow piling up outside on the other side of the window there. Sure would like to know how you got your teenager to help out with that. Unless it comes with an X-Box controller, my teenager just has no interest.

    Great job!

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    What a gorgeous space that will be when you're done! I love that shade of blue. Nice painting job. Want to come do my house?

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    It was actually easier than I was expecting. The only real problem we had is the bugs that ended up in the paint before it was able to dry. They are now permanent fixtures in the floor of the pool.

    Now onto my filter...
    20x12X4 Oval Fiberglass walls and concrete bottom.
    Pool is in an unconditioned atrium. (being remodeled)
    3/4 HP Hayward Pro Pump. Tankless Water Heater.
    Hayward S180T Sand Filter.

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    is that the only return there in the shallow end?

    its lookin awsome. cant wait to see it full and finished.

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    Yes that is the only return. I am probably going to use the i/2 skimmer 1/2 main drain setting to try and get some good circulation. Should I point the return towards or away from the skimmer?
    20x12X4 Oval Fiberglass walls and concrete bottom.
    Pool is in an unconditioned atrium. (being remodeled)
    3/4 HP Hayward Pro Pump. Tankless Water Heater.
    Hayward S180T Sand Filter.

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    Ideally, point the return a bit to the side to get a circulatory water pattern going so point it towards the longest circumference path that would then end up at the skimmer. If the return is already near a side, then it can point straight ahead if the skimmer is at the other end of the pool and not directly across from the return.

    I can't tell for sure, but if the return is near the ladder and the skimmer is on the other side of that short wall at that end, then point the skimmer straight down the long wall so that it circulates down that end of the pool, around the other short end, back the other long side, and then to the skimmer (i.e. clockwise if looking at the pool from the ceiling).

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    I'm waiting for MORE!!! What a great project!!! Also, just how DID you get the teens to help???
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    Mom does real good guilt trips

    This project was more than we were expecting but then again so is the whole house!

    I am putting in the new sand filter this weekend and I will put up some pictures of the process.

    I hope my plumbing skills are up to the task or I could have a very wet basement!
    20x12X4 Oval Fiberglass walls and concrete bottom.
    Pool is in an unconditioned atrium. (being remodeled)
    3/4 HP Hayward Pro Pump. Tankless Water Heater.
    Hayward S180T Sand Filter.

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    I thought I would add a couple pictures of our new filter install. The picture of the old filter didnt turn out so well but the one of the new set up look OK.

    Here is what we started with...



    This is the new set up...




    I put a couple extra shut offs in (I can't believe they didnt have these in before)...



    Night picture after the water cleared up...

    20x12X4 Oval Fiberglass walls and concrete bottom.
    Pool is in an unconditioned atrium. (being remodeled)
    3/4 HP Hayward Pro Pump. Tankless Water Heater.
    Hayward S180T Sand Filter.

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