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    New Product Recommended By MY Pool Builder

    Because I take great care in keeping my pool water in shape (Thanks to TFP and TF-100) my pool builder is going to give me a discount to try a new product as long as I report back the results. He (and I ) use Natural Chemistry products which I have found to work fine. I used the Monthly Salt Water Magic kit, and the Fall and Spring Closing kits. I use muriatic acid and bleach as needed.

    The product is called Foundation. Here is what it containssorry for the formatting, but I was copying out of a PDF)

    Ingredient(s) CAS # Percent
    Disodium salt of ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid 6381-92-6 5 - 10
    Sodium tetraborate pentahydrate 12179-04-3 40 - 70
    Boric acid (H3BO3) 10043-35-3 30 - 60
    Lanthanum sulfate 10099-60-2 1 - 5

    As best I can tell it looks like borates which is similar to what I have read on this site. And something I was going to try this year anyway. This may just be an expensive way to add borates!!!! Anyway, does anyone see anything harmful in this product?

    I check my water weekly with TF-100 kit and follow the TFP guidelines for Salt Water Pools. Once locked in, the only thing I add is a weekly does of muriatic acid to keep the pH down.

    Thanks for the help!
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    Re: New Product Recommended By MY Pool Builder

    Quote Originally Posted by primetime
    Ingredient(s) CAS # Percent
    Disodium salt of ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid 6381-92-6 5 - 10

    This is a metal chelator. It's not harmful, but adding it mixed in the "Foundation" this way, you really dont know how much your adding based on pol size or even need. EDTA is not bad, but a metal sequesterant is a better bet. One based on phosphonic acid like Jack's Magic is what a lot of people use if they have metals.

    Quote Originally Posted by primetime
    Sodium tetraborate pentahydrate 12179-04-3 40 - 70
    Boric acid (H3BO3) 10043-35-3 30 - 60

    All this is basically boric acid. You would be better off if you wanted to add borates to you pool to do it like it says in pool school and use 20 mule team borax from the grocery.

    Quote Originally Posted by primetime
    Lanthanum sulfate 10099-60-2 1 - 5

    This is a phosphate remover. Generally not needed.

    Quote Originally Posted by primetime
    Anyway, does anyone see anything harmful in this product?

    Only thing harmful, really, would be the price if you bought it!
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    Re: New Product Recommended By MY Pool Builder

    One of the driving tenants of this site is not to add uneeded or unwanted chemicals to your pool. That looks like a lot of chemicals to be adding to your pool some or all of which you may not need. It looks like a celating agent and a phosphate remover with boric acid borax. Do you need these things?

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    Re: New Product Recommended By MY Pool Builder

    Just saw this product on clearance. Wow. 5# for $27, and they recommend 5#/6,000 gallons. VERY expensive way to add borates.

    The current MSDS doesn't even list anything beyond boric acid and lanthanum sulfate.

    http://naturalchemistry.com/en/pool-...il/foundation/
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    Re: New Product Recommended By MY Pool Builder

    You typically pay a premium for a mixture of chemicals, especially ones you don't need. Really water is the foundations to our pools, everything else is to maintain that foundation. LOL.
    If you want to add borates I recommend getting Boric Acid from Duda Diesel. Here's the link I started: http://www.troublefreepool.com/threa...d-the-easy-way

    And the big borate thread: http://www.troublefreepool.com/threa...ol-Why-and-How
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