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Thread: Guardex Test Kit says not to perform TA test when FC is high

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    Guardex Test Kit says not to perform TA test when FC is high

    in fact they say not to test for pH but I still get a reading.

    still no reading on the TA happening. just nothing happening. I will test anyway again tomorrow and see if I can get a result.

    is it normal not to get a TA result when FC is really high?

    Thanks.
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    Re: Gaurdex Test Kit says not to perform TA test when FC is high

    When FC is high it can bleach out the red reagent so you don't get a green to red color change.
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    Re: Gaurdex Test Kit says not to perform TA test when FC is high

    Quote Originally Posted by zea3
    When FC is high it can bleach out the red reagent so you don't get a green to red color change.
    ah I see. Thanks. makes sense. but pH tests ok.
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    Re: Guardex Test Kit says not to perform TA test when FC is high

    Quote Originally Posted by IslandPool
    in fact they say not to test for pH but I still get a reading.

    still no reading on the TA happening. just nothing happening. I will test anyway again tomorrow and see if I can get a result.

    is it normal not to get a TA result when FC is really high?
    Chlorine must be really high for it to affect the pH reading so much that it becomes useless. I've been able to get nearly correct readings at 10 ppm FC and above, but it's always better to test before shocking and not rely on pH tests done when the chlorine level is over 10 ppm or climbing.

    Though I haven't had issues with the Total Alkalinity test, zea3 has identified the problem. Here's what the #1 maker of test reagents says about this.

    4. When I add my total alkalinity reagent I get a yellow endpoint instead of a red endpoint. Has the indicator gone bad?

    Possibly. Outdated total alkalinity indicator can cause this problem as can excess chlorine in the sample. If in doubt about the potency of the reagent, replace it. When a high level of chlorine is present, add an extra drop of thiosulfate reagent to the sample to remove the chlorine interference then follow the test procedure as written. If your water sample contains a biguanide (PHMB) sanitizer like Baquacil® the alkalinity titration will properly go from green to purple instead of the usual green to red.
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    Re: Guardex Test Kit says not to perform TA test when FC is high

    Quote Originally Posted by polyvue
    Chlorine must be really high for it to affect the pH reading so much that it becomes useless. I've been able to get nearly correct readings at 10 ppm FC and above, but it's always better to test before shocking and not rely on pH tests done when the chlorine level is over 10 ppm or climbing.
    I believe Taylor's position on the pH test is that it should be correct up to 10ppm FC, and gradually degrades above that, and by around 15ppm you should not trust it. Adding thiosulfate to the pH test will not help, because the thiosulfate will itself affect the pH.
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    Re: Guardex Test Kit says not to perform TA test when FC is high

    Thanks. That's a really good tip. much appreciated! I will try that with the TA test.

    Tomorrow I'm diluting the FC test tube with untreated water 1:1 and then x2 to get a better FC reading. actually to get a reading period!

    also buying a CYA test strip to see where my CYA is.

    so hopefully I'll have readings for:

    FC, pH, TA and CYA

    I just have pH: 7.8

    water looks great...blue and clear but I'm still brushing those black stains. And it's a painted pool.
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    Re: Guardex Test Kit says not to perform TA test when FC is high

    The CYA Tests on the strips are the most inaccurate of all tests on the test strips. The CYA Test is virtually worthless. Do not rely on strips, except for borates and Salt.
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    Re: Guardex Test Kit says not to perform TA test when FC is high

    Quote Originally Posted by frustratedpoolmom
    The CYA Tests on the strips are the most inaccurate of all tests on the test strips. The CYA Test is virtually worthless. Do not rely on strips, except for borates and Salt.
    I don't have a choice. I can't get a decent test kit in until 2 weeks time. or should I just assume CYA is high?
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