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    Jandy TrueClear for 14.5-15K gallon pool

    My PB is using the Jandy TrueClear.

    Looking on their site, it says up to 35K gallon pool. I thought it was 40K.

    My PB bid shows an estimated 14,500 gallons for my pool.

    I am assuming this will be more than enough to handle my pool, correct?

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    Re: Jandy TrueClear for 14.5-15K gallon pool

    Yep should be perfect!
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    Re: Jandy TrueClear for 14.5-15K gallon pool

    It produces .93lb/day of chlorine. The Aquapure 1400 produces 1.25lbs/day. I would spec out the Aquapure instead of the TrueClear.
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    Re: Jandy TrueClear for 14.5-15K gallon pool

    Lardo,

    Here is a pretty good cell comparison link... Compare and Review Saltwater Chlorine Generator Prices and Features

    I too would go with the Aquapure 1400..

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    Re: Jandy TrueClear for 14.5-15K gallon pool

    Lardo,

    Let's hope you are getting a VS pump with either one...

    You will have to run the Trueclear for 10 hrs at 100% output to maintain a 3 ppm FC loss per day.. 20 hours if you drop the output to 50%..

    You will have to run the Aquapure 1400 for 7 hours at 100% output to maintain a 3 ppm FC loss per day... 14 hours if you drop the output to 50%...

    Most pools use 2 to 4 ppm of FC per day...

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    Re: Jandy TrueClear for 14.5-15K gallon pool

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimrahbe View Post
    Lardo,

    Let's hope you are getting a VS pump with either one...

    You will have to run the Trueclear for 10 hrs at 100% output to maintain a 3 ppm FC loss per day.. 20 hours if you drop the output to 50%..

    You will have to run the Aquapure 1400 for 7 hours at 100% output to maintain a 3 ppm FC loss per day... 14 hours if you drop the output to 50%...

    Most pools use 2 to 4 ppm of FC per day...

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    ugh.
    yes, we will have a variable speed pump.
    We are at our max for budget, and the 1400 would be about $400 more. Not even sure if I can get the wife to sign off on the additional $400 at this point.

    Going to look into it though.

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    Re: Jandy TrueClear for 14.5-15K gallon pool

    Quote Originally Posted by lardo5150 View Post
    ugh.
    yes, we will have a variable speed pump.
    We are at our max for budget, and the 1400 would be about $400 more. Not even sure if I can get the wife to sign off on the additional $400 at this point.

    Going to look into it though.
    Well you don't need to get in trouble over it! The AquaClear is fine it will just need to run longer to create the same amount of chlorine which also means the cell may burn out faster.

    See what your builder sells the Nature2 FusionSoft 1400 for. Many times builders get steep discounts on this one because they have a consumable mineral cartridge that they make money on after you buy it (Nature2/Jandy/Zodiac). Key is, you don't need to and should not (ever) use the mineral cartridge. Just leave the blankout plate on. It is the exact same specs as the AquaPure and may be identical under the hood. That is what I have (see my sig).

    All 3 of these are Zodiac products and play nicely together if you are getting (or ever will get) Jandy automation.
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    Re: Jandy TrueClear for 14.5-15K gallon pool

    Quote Originally Posted by PoolGate View Post
    Well you don't need to get in trouble over it! The AquaClear is fine it will just need to run longer to create the same amount of chlorine which also means the cell may burn out faster.

    See what your builder sells the Nature2 FusionSoft 1400 for. Many times builders get steep discounts on this one because they have a consumable mineral cartridge that they make money on after you buy it (Nature2/Jandy/Zodiac). Key is, you don't need to and should not (ever) use the mineral cartridge. Just leave the blankout plate on. It is the exact same specs as the AquaPure and may be identical under the hood. That is what I have (see my sig).

    All 3 of these are Zodiac products and play nicely together if you are getting (or ever will get) Jandy automation.
    Everything I am getting from the PB will be Jandy.
    I am getting the Aqualink, so most of everything will be automated.

    I will check on the Fusion, thanks!
    To get the 1400, I would have to justify the cost of $400 bucks vs what we would save in power a year by going with that 1400.

    Since this is all new to me, I am assuming what we are ultimately talking about is power usage correct? Running that pump longer will use more power, where as the 1400 would run less, thus less power usage.

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    Re: Jandy TrueClear for 14.5-15K gallon pool

    Quote Originally Posted by lardo5150 View Post
    Everything I am getting from the PB will be Jandy.
    I am getting the Aqualink, so most of everything will be automated.

    I will check on the Fusion, thanks!
    To get the 1400, I would have to justify the cost of $400 bucks vs what we would save in power a year by going with that 1400.

    Since this is all new to me, I am assuming what we are ultimately talking about is power usage correct? Running that pump longer will use more power, where as the 1400 would run less, thus less power usage.
    Power yes but also the saltwater generator cells burn out over time. The more you run them, the faster they burn out. Typical life is 3-5 years. Figure $500 for a new cell. I don't know that you could justify it on power alone especially with a VSP since you may be running the pump 24x7 anyway so no savings there and the SWCGs don't use a whole lot of power themselves to activate the cell. Check out cell replacement prices before you commit to the one you want.
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    Re: Jandy TrueClear for 14.5-15K gallon pool

    The TruClear replacement cell insert (R0693900) is under $300.00. So, saving $400 initially and $300 on a replacement cell is probably worthwhile.

    The pump can be run continuously for very low cost.

    The TruClear won't communicate with the automation and it doesn't measure salinity. You just connect it to the pump relay to control power.

    It's a simple system, but it works well enough for the savings to be worthwhile.
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    Re: Jandy TrueClear for 14.5-15K gallon pool

    Yep, and a quick look shows me the 1400 cell is over 500 bucks.

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    Re: Jandy TrueClear for 14.5-15K gallon pool

    Some sites show the 1400 for less than $500, but they are probably really the 700 model.
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    Re: Jandy TrueClear for 14.5-15K gallon pool

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesW View Post
    The TruClear replacement cell insert (R0693900) is under $300.00. So, saving $400 initially and $300 on a replacement cell is probably worthwhile.

    The pump can be run continuously for very low cost.

    The TruClear won't communicate with the automation and it doesn't measure salinity. You just connect it to the pump relay to control power.

    It's a simple system, but it works well enough for the savings to be worthwhile.

    Do most pumps on pools run 24/7? I am assuming with the VS pumps, they are quiet?

    Ya, I was aware it did not do automation and I just set the output on the panel.
    Since I am doing the TFP maintence care of my pool I figured I would be out there anyways testing the water, I can adjust the output if I need to while I am out there.

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    Re: Jandy TrueClear for 14.5-15K gallon pool

    Just so I know, when adjusting the output on the SWG, say, at 20%, 40%, 80%, 100%....what is happening with the pump?
    I am assuming if I am set at 100%, the pump is running full speed?

    Is that the same for any other setting on the SWG?

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    Re: Jandy TrueClear for 14.5-15K gallon pool

    The pump only needs to run long enough to allow the SWG to produce the required amount of chlorine.

    The percentage setting only controls the percentage of On time for the cell per cycle time. I don't know the actual cycle time of the TruClear. But, if it's 100 minutes and set to 30%, it will run for 30 minutes, then be off for 70 minutes and then the cycle will begin again.

    The percentage has no relationship to the pump run speed.

    The TruClear does not have a flow switch. It uses a gas trap design. The pump speed only needs to be high enough to keep gasses from building up in the cell.

    Usually, the pump can be run between about 1,000 and 1,500 rpm to get the SWG to work.

    At 1,500 rpm, the power use is very low and the pump is very quiet.
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    Re: Jandy TrueClear for 14.5-15K gallon pool

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesW View Post
    The pump only needs to run long enough to allow the SWG to produce the required amount of chlorine.

    The percentage setting only controls the percentage of On time for the cell per cycle time. I don't know the actual cycle time of the TruClear. But, if it's 100 minutes and set to 30%, it will run for 30 minutes, then be off for 70 minutes and then the cycle will begin again.

    The percentage has no relationship to the pump run speed.

    The TruClear does not have a flow switch. It uses a gas trap design. The pump speed only needs to be high enough to keep gasses from building up in the cell.

    Usually, the pump can be run between about 1,000 and 1,500 rpm to get the SWG to work.

    At 1,500 rpm, the power use is very low and the pump is very quiet.
    You Da Man!!

    Great information, thanks!

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    Re: Jandy TrueClear for 14.5-15K gallon pool

    My SWCG will work as low as 600 rpms, 800 to be sure, which is around 40 watts on my system.
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    Re: Jandy TrueClear for 14.5-15K gallon pool

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesW View Post

    The TruClear won't communicate with the automation and it doesn't measure salinity.

    This seems 50% true. There's no Salinity sensor but the TruClear documentation clearly shows it has an RS485 plug for automation purposes:

    3.6
    Install RS485 for Jandy Automation
    The power pack comes equipped with a slide out RS485
    connector. The RS485 connector is used to connect the
    Jandy TruClear chlorination system to a new or existing
    AquaLink

    Automation System.
    1.
    Loosen DO NOT REMOVE the two screws
    securing the RS485 connector bracket in place.
    2.
    Slide out and expose the 4 pin RS485 connection
    terminal.
    3.
    From an open auxiliary on your automation system
    run the RS485 cable to the 4 pin RS485 connection
    terminal.
    4. Unscrew cable fitting nut, pass RS485 wires
    through and re secure nut.
    from: https://www.jandy.com/~/media/zodiac...h/h0613500.pdf
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    Re: Jandy TrueClear for 14.5-15K gallon pool

    Older models did not have the communication connection. The new models do.

    Thanks for the update.
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    Re: Jandy TrueClear for 14.5-15K gallon pool

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesW View Post
    Older models did not have the communication connection. The new models do.

    Thanks for the update.
    I know the AquaPure EI didn't have it, but the TruClear AFAIK has always had it. (it's so new it's hard to tell really).
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