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    So...What's The Difference?

    Hi Everyone,

    *Standing Sheepishly in front of a crowd*

    My name is Michael Silvester and I’m a Poolaholic

    I’m a pool shop owner from a little place on the other side of the
    world called Australia…You may of heard of the place.

    This is one of my first posts to the forum and I thought I would
    provide some great information to the forum to help out the community.

    Have you ever visited a pool cleaner website and wondered why
    they make above ground and in ground pool models? Let me use
    barracuda as an example. Please keep in mind that this info will
    apply to most other vacuum sided cleaners too.

    Ok…go over to the zodiac website and check out the cleaners.
    http://www.baracuda.com/

    Would you be able to pick what is an above ground pool cleaner and
    what’s in ground if the site didn’t tell you what pool it suited? My bet is NO!
    But I’m about to fix that

    Let me tell you the difference…

    I’m only going to use the vacuum side cleaners to make this
    example a little simpler.

    So…I’ve grouped the cleaners together…

    Above ground pool cleaners
    http://www.baracuda.com/zoom.htm
    http://www.baracuda.com/ranger.htm

    In ground pool Cleaners
    http://www.baracuda.com/g4.htm
    http://www.baracuda.com/baracuda.htm
    http://www.baracuda.com/pacer.htm

    Can you see the difference yet?

    Take a look at the skirt (this disc at the bottom)…the above ground
    pool cleaners have a disk at the bottom that is completely flat. You know why?
    It’s because above ground pool cleaners don’t have to deal with main drains
    and other extrusions normally found in an in ground pools. Above ground
    pools have flat floors with nothing to get caught on.

    The In ground pool cleaners have a disc that has fins…this is to allow the
    cleaner to get up and over main drains etc. Now are you starting to see
    a difference? Good!

    Now is there anything else that makes the cleaners different from each
    other? No..Not really! Do you really think that a pool cleaner can really
    tell that it’s in an above ground pool or an in ground pool? Absolutely Not!
    The only difference between all the barracuda models is the skirt
    (the disk on the bottom) and the body.

    The body makes absolutely no difference to the performance to the
    cleaner...it’s just there for looks and a bigger price tag. The internal
    diaphragm and parts are all exactly the same.

    So…to wrap this up.

    Can you use an above ground pool cleaner in an in ground pool?
    Not really they are not designed to go over main drains and other objects.

    Can you use an in ground pool cleaner in your above ground pool?
    Absolutely! If anything your barracuda will have an easier life in an
    above ground pool.

    I hope you enjoyed this quick little lesson I prepared for you and I
    hope to spend a lot more time in this forum helping out.

    Take Care,

    Michael Silvester

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    Thanks Michael, I myself was wondering the difference, mainly in terms of cost...you set me straight.

    Can you post your web site so we can all visit it.

    Just curious, being a Down Under, what are you opinions on SWG's, seeing as how your country is the main one to start using them?

    Rik

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    Hi Rik,

    Thanks for the reply!

    I don't know if I'm allowed to do this,
    but I will put my site address in my
    sig until I'm told otherwise.

    I hope I don't offend anyone?

    Take Care,

    Michael Silvester

    P.S I love SWG's

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    I'm an AG pool owner, so I get the benefit of the cheaper model, however, it's the IG pool owners that have to pay through the nose for everything, unfortunately, they are on the other side of the fence, my question here is this: (and I could probably do a price search and compare myself but I figured I'd throw it out there...)

    If an IG pool owner were to buy and AG barracuda and then a replacement skirt for the IG model, would they benefit from a price standpoint?

    I know that in the solar panel world, there is a real scam going on, my friend purchased both an IG and AG solar panel from the same manufacturer, at a difference of about 150 dollars between the sets, the only difference in the kits were that the IG unit came with about 50 dollars (pool store price) of adapters and valves, home depot price was 20 for the same parts. So essentially, IG pool owners are getting soaked 130 dollars for having a pricier pool

    The manifold on the AG solar panel model just needed the knockout removed to be identical

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    I've often wondered about this. Thanks for sharing.

    You know what burns me? Why the mark up just for the different skirt? There's often a big price difference between AG and IG cleaners. I can't imagine the IG skirt costs that much more.

    Why? Because the can insert bad word here...

    I wonder, can one purchase the AG cleaner, then add the IG skirt and come out ahead on pricing, beating them at their own game? Also, what about those main drain covers that are made for pool cleaners, that are wider and sloped? Would they alllow an AG to be used in an IG?

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    Hey Rangeball - you must have been typing while I posted - same thought!!!

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    Cheap minds think alike...

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    Thanks for the comparison, I have been wondering that myself as I look through cleaners.
    1980's Shasta built 30,000 gal inground diving pool. Pebble-tec interior. Pentair DE Filter. In ground pop-ups. Hayward Navigator sweeper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt4x4

    If an IG pool owner were to buy and AG barracuda and then a replacement skirt for the IG model, would they benefit from a price standpoint?
    Hi Guys,

    I cant speak for other brands...but

    You will save a packet if you buy the AG cleaner and put
    an IG skirt on it. I advise you not to buy the "ZOOM" because
    you'll walk out to your pool one day and find it in 3 pieces on
    the bottom of the pool. I have to replace zoom bodies nearly
    everyday under warranty.

    Let me show you another secret your pool shop and barracuda
    dont want you to know about.

    Buy the Ranger http://www.baracuda.com/ranger.htm
    and put an IG skirt on it. They market the ranger here in
    Australia as the "Genie Series II" Le me show you a pic of
    it.

    http://cache.webfirst.us/images/975-309 ... siione.gif

    It's the exact same cleaner, just a different color and it has
    the IG skirt.

    Hope this helps?

    Take Care,

    Michael Silvester

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    Do I need an IG Type Then?

    I have a 27' AG pool, but I also have two main drains in the bottom. I figured that I could get the cheaper AG cleaners, but after reading this post, I might also want to buy the IG disc to go along with it?

    I'm a new pool owner, going on my 7th week of pool use. So far so good, and we are looking at automatic cleaners, although we may hold off on that until next season.
    Scott

    27'x52" AG Vogue Impact, Waterway Cyclone 200 cartridge filter, Waterway pump w/2 HP 2-sp motor, 8mil solar cover, Raypak 206 nat gas heater, Pool Rover Jr.

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    Re: Do I need an IG Type Then?

    Quote Originally Posted by ssabin
    I have a 27' AG pool, but I also have two main drains in the bottom. I figured that I could get the cheaper AG cleaners, but after reading this post, I might also want to buy the IG disc to go along with it?

    I'm a new pool owner, going on my 7th week of pool use. So far so good, and we are looking at automatic cleaners, although we may hold off on that until next season.
    Hi,

    Yes...You'll need a cleaner with fins
    on the disc so that It can get over
    your 2 main drains. Or it could
    get stuck.

    Lucky you found this post

    Take Care,

    Michael Silvester

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    I found the AG ranger for $125. The replacement G3 (I think that's the right model?) finned disc (for IG) is $44.

    So, $169 total.

    Much cheaper than the IG models I've seen...

    If I ever go with a suction cleaner, this is the route I'm likely to take.

    Thanks for the heads up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rangeball
    I found the AG ranger for $125. The replacement G3 (I think that's the right model?) finned disc (for IG) is $44.

    So, $169 total.

    Much cheaper than the IG models I've seen...

    If I ever go with a suction cleaner, this is the route I'm likely to take.

    Thanks for the heads up

    Nice Work Rangeball...Well Done!

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    The IG versions are all $300 plus...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rangeball
    The IG versions are all $300 plus...
    Hi

    Feel free to send me the money
    that you have saved

    Take Care,

    Michael Silvester

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    Michael,
    You are cutting into my G3 and G4 sales!

    I agree with you about the Zoom, NOT a good unit at all! Best cleaner Zodiac makes under their brand name is the pressure side Mars HP, IMHO. MUCH simpler than the Polaris units that Zodiac also makes!

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    Re: So...What's The Difference?

    Nice Post, Thanks Michael! I need a pool cleaner bad but funds are tight going to school and being laid off sooo I started to question what is the diff between inground and aboveground cleaners. Now I know. I think I''ll try building a "G3 Ranger" (thanks rangeball for the idea) Being as this thread was from 2007 a few links are dead. So here is an update.
    Baracuda Ranger at the manufactures website>>> http://www.baracuda.com/poolcleaners/ranger.aspx
    Baracuda G3 for inground pools at the same site>>>> http://www.baracuda.com/poolcleaners/g3.aspx
    A quick fleeBay search for the G3 replacment disc>>>> http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=baracu ... m270.l1313

    Looks like the Ranger will be 139.99 shipped free and the disc is another 60 shipped. So for 200 a guy can have a "G3 Ranger"
    I have a hookup at a local Leslie's. I'll ask about the best price I can get for a G3 disc.
    20,000 gal. 32' x 17' freeform custom pool, 3ft. shallow - 8ft. deep end, Pentair Whisper flow 2.2 HP WF-6, Purex/Triton Nautilus FNS48 DE filter, 2 Intex Chlorine Generators (retired) SR Smith Rouge Rapids curved slide, The Pool Cleaner 4-wheel model w/Hayward large leaf canister. Tightwatt pool timer Spa: Beachport 5 person/350gal. Wishlist: move Neiko Tools pump to slide, solar system, Fountain, Automation. http://www.poolcalculator.com/

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