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    New variable speed pump

    I'm shopping for a new variable speed pump. Any recommendations? Repair place is recommending a Pentair 011056 VSF. Local electric utility is offering a $400 rebate for variable pumps. Repair place is quoting $1600 for full scope of removal and install. $1600 is net of rebate.

    if I want the pump to supply both the spa, main pool and fountain effects, is it possible for 1 pump to power all of that and how do you control the output?

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    Ryan McKenzie
    30K gal, IG plaster, ? HP Hayward model? pump, ? sqft Hayward model? sand filter, Hayward model? auto chlorine feeder (turned off), Dolphin cleaning robot (intermittent, would like something better), spa overflows to pool, heater busted (not plumbed in), 15+ years old, test kit (K2006).

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    Re: New variable speed pump

    Ryan,

    Sure, one pump can do it all, but not necessarily at the same time... When in the spa mode, the pump would most likely be running at a high rpm and might not be able to power much else. But in the pool mode the demand would be less so it could also power your fountains...

    How is your current pad plumbed? How many pumps do you have now?

    A couple of pictures of your equipment pad would help.

    Thanks,

    Jim R.
    Finished in 2015 - 17K Gal, IG, 20' x 25' Almost Rectangular Pool, Pebble finish, three rockport water falls. Pentair Equipment: EasyTouch 4, IC40 SWG, 3 HP VS Pump, CCP520 Cartridge Filter.
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    Re: New variable speed pump

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    Ryan,

    Sure, one pump can do it all, but not necessarily at the same time... When in the spa mode, the pump would most likely be running at a high rpm and might not be able to power much else. But in the pool mode the demand would be less so it could also power your fountains...

    How is your current pad plumbed? How many pumps do you have now?

    A couple of pictures of your equipment pad would help.

    Thanks,

    Jim R.
    Thanks Jim. I'll take some pics and attach. Currently have 2 pumps but fountain pump plumbing froze up and has always overheated and cut off after running for 15 minutes.

    Looking for a 1-pump solution. Why does spa mode require more pump demand than pool mode?

    Thanks again for the input.

    Ryan McKenzie

    30K gal, IG plaster, ? HP Hayward model? pump, ? sqft Hayward model? sand filter, Hayward model? auto chlorine feeder (turned off), Dolphin cleaning robot (intermittent, would like something better), spa overflows to pool, heater busted (not plumbed in), 15+ years old, test kit (K2006).

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    Re: New variable speed pump

    Ryan,

    Being in the Spa mode by itself does not increase the demand, but most people want to have a lot of water flowing through the spa jets... the more flow (or force through the jets) the faster the pump needs to be running... In your case, a single pump may do both the pool or spa and the fountains, but I can't tell you that for sure... It is not normal to run the Pool and Spa at the same time...

    So you had three pump, but now on have two... or you had two pumps, but now only one???

    Thanks,

    Jim R.
    Finished in 2015 - 17K Gal, IG, 20' x 25' Almost Rectangular Pool, Pebble finish, three rockport water falls. Pentair Equipment: EasyTouch 4, IC40 SWG, 3 HP VS Pump, CCP520 Cartridge Filter.
    TF100 with SpeedStir and SampleSizer, ColorQ Pro 7, Dolphin Premier Robot Cleaner, added Screen Logic 2, added small 3 person Caldera Spa.

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    Re: New variable speed pump

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimrahbe View Post
    Ryan,

    Being in the Spa mode by itself does not increase the demand, but most people want to have a lot of water flowing through the spa jets... the more flow (or force through the jets) the faster the pump needs to be running... In your case, a single pump may do both the pool or spa and the fountains, but I can't tell you that for sure... It is not normal to run the Pool and Spa at the same time...

    So you had three pump, but now on have two... or you had two pumps, but now only one???

    Thanks,

    Jim R.
    Thanks Jim. Previous was 2 pumps (pool/spa, fountain). Wanting to go to 1 pump. I don't expect to need all 3 functions going at same time. I like the idea of running in spa mode with high Flow, pressure Nd bubbles! Sounds fun.

    Thanks,
    Ryan McKenzie

    30K gal, IG plaster, ? HP Hayward model? pump, ? sqft Hayward model? sand filter, Hayward model? auto chlorine feeder (turned off), Dolphin cleaning robot (intermittent, would like something better), spa overflows to pool, heater busted (not plumbed in), 15+ years old, test kit (K2006).

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    Re: New variable speed pump

    Here are pics of current setup. I want to eliminate 2nd pump and go to 1 variable pump.

    What are the best variable speed pumps?

    Ryan McKenzie

    30K gal, IG plaster, ? HP Hayward model? pump, ? sqft Hayward model? sand filter, Hayward model? auto chlorine feeder (turned off), Dolphin cleaning robot (intermittent, would like something better), spa overflows to pool, heater busted (not plumbed in), 15+ years old, test kit (K2006).

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    Re: New variable speed pump

    Ryan,

    Looking at your set up, I think you would be better off using a VS pump for the main pump and keeping your second pump for the fountain/waterfall..

    I say this because your water feature pump does not pass water through your filter... If you were to re-plumb into a single pump system, all the water would pass through your filter which would seriously effect the look and volume of the water feature.

    I am a highly biased Pentair kind of guy... I would install a 3 HP IntelliFlo (P/N 011018) pump for your main pump... That pump would work well for your pool and spa.. You could run it a low rpms for your pool and higher rpms for your spa...

    They only thing wrong with the 011018 is that the control panel does not rotate.. So, standing at the pump basket, the panel faces away from you... You can get them that do rotate, they just cost more.

    Thanks,

    Jim R.
    Finished in 2015 - 17K Gal, IG, 20' x 25' Almost Rectangular Pool, Pebble finish, three rockport water falls. Pentair Equipment: EasyTouch 4, IC40 SWG, 3 HP VS Pump, CCP520 Cartridge Filter.
    TF100 with SpeedStir and SampleSizer, ColorQ Pro 7, Dolphin Premier Robot Cleaner, added Screen Logic 2, added small 3 person Caldera Spa.

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    Re: New variable speed pump

    I almost agree with Jim.

    I think you may be able to run all the stuff on one pump, depending on what the water features are, what flow rate they need, and whether you run them with the other functions. Let us know as much as you know about all the plumbed equipment and maybe some of us can give a better idea if it'll work. Hopefully our pump genius Mark (Mas985) will see this and respond.

    Opposed to Jim, I'm biased against Pentair, only because of their warranty rules. You only get a 60 day warranty if you choose to install their equipment yourself. If you want the full warranty, you have to have a "pool professional" install it.
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    Re: New variable speed pump

    Just make sure that you choose a pump that is EXACTLY on your utilities rebate program. And BTW: Jandy has a new pump out that is really, really nice and super quiet even at high speed.
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    Re: New variable speed pump

    Ryan,

    All good points, but I am going w Jim on this one...

    A Pentair for sure for your pool and spa. Then I would recommend a single speed low rpm to run your fountain. You need to do the math on the distance from equip pad to water feature, then do the math on flow rate/distance and what you want.

    Since you do not have automation, you can do w any VSP, but stay way from the Hayward ecostar[less]. The drive/controllers are known to be defective and this makes the pumps overall reliability almost ZERO. We just went to Phoenix for spring break and if someone had not come over to check the Hayward pump on Wed, Thur and Fri.m y pool would be deep green. It failed again and someone had to go to the pool panel and again flip the breaker to get it to work again.

    To conclude, you can get one pump to run your SPA, then your POOL&WATER FEATURE, but as noted, you do not want your water feature flow going thru your filter, esp when you have the pool pump doing it too. Also, if one of your pumps fail, you can always run the other to circulate the pool. Also, single speed pumps are for sure the most reliable and the lowest cost, so you can diversify your ROI and not just put it all into one pump. But, your pool, your money, but either way, I would for sure stick w the Pentair or Jandy of they have a new and reliable VSP.

    Finally, as Jim stated, make sure your pump electronics pad faces you, esp since your pad faces a wall and there's a lot of plumbing and other involved...you do not want to be turned around, more so since you do not have automation and will not be able to control pump from remote, but only from the pump...good luck, tstex
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    Re: New variable speed pump

    Quote Originally Posted by PoolGate View Post
    Just make sure that you choose a pump that is EXACTLY on your utilities rebate program. And BTW: Jandy has a new pump out that is really, really nice and super quiet even at high speed.
    Poolgate, you do not mention in your info what type of pump you have; or did I miss it? it is the jandy pump you are referring to Ryan in the thread or other? thanks
    InGround 15K gal, 18'x30' 3.5' to 5.5' depth w/ 9'x9' spillover Spa, Pebblesheen w/ Travertine, Hayward 3 HP VSP, Hayward C4030 Cartridge, Hayward 1.5 HP for 2 Scupper columns, ProLogic, PL-PS-8 Panel, Hayward H400FD 400K BTU Heater, 3 ColorLogic LED, Spa Blower, TF-100 w S-Stick, QC Tiger Shark, Autofill If you enjoyed your TFP experience, please consider donating to Support TFP!

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    Re: New variable speed pump

    Quote Originally Posted by tstex View Post
    Poolgate, you do not mention in your info what type of pump you have; or did I miss it? it is the jandy pump you are referring to Ryan in the thread or other? thanks
    I have the Jandy 2.7 (3) HP variable speed pump. The one I am talking about is a new one however, I saw it at the pool store being demo'd when I went in last week.
    29k Gallon Free Form Gunite Pool, 3 floor returns, 2 wall returns, 1 vacuum pressure port, 2 skimmers, Main drain, Jandy 2.7HP VSP, Jandy JXI400N Gas Heater, Jandy CV340 Cartridge Filter, FusionSoft 1400 SWG, 2 Watercolors LED, iAqualink with PDA, Sheer Waterfall, Rock Waterfall, 9' Deep End w/Diving Board, SunDeck, Polaris 9650iQ, TF-100 - Pool Build - 2017 - Google Photos

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    Re: New variable speed pump

    Awesome comments folks. Thanks a ton. I'm lookkong at having installed, not DIY. I'm chicken. I'll work up to it! I.e. how do you cut the PVC, etc?

    My fountain effect is very basic. 2 horizontal slots that are about 2 feet long and positioned equidistant along the lengthy of the pool. The run is similar to some of the pool return lines, but I don't plan to run them all too often, just in special circumstances, i.e. company over, lots of kids playing, bbq with friends, etc.

    Hope that clarifies.

    I'm getting bids for a Pentair and Hayward VSP, in range of $1200-$1600. This is net of rebate and install, removal, etc. Hayward pump has 4yr warranty. Not sure on Pentair.

    Ryan McKenzie

    30K gal, IG plaster, ? HP Hayward model? pump, ? sqft Hayward model? sand filter, Hayward model? auto chlorine feeder (turned off), Dolphin cleaning robot (intermittent, would like something better), spa overflows to pool, heater busted (not plumbed in), 15+ years old, test kit (K2006).

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    Re: New variable speed pump

    I have Pentair one for about 3 years now. Have not had any issues other than the housing being defective when it arrived. Since then its been perfect.
    8000 gal diamond brite pool with 650 gal spillover spa, Pentair 3hp VS pump. Jandy Cartridge filter and Jandy Heat Pump. Jandy PDA automation system with 2 Pentair Laminars. SmartPool NC74S Robotic Pool Cleaner.

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    Re: New variable speed pump

    I recently bought a Pentair SuperFlo VS 1.5 HP $450 from eBay + $150 installation - $200 electric company rebate = $400. I think that is a great price and the pump works really well.

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