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    3/4 hp single speed pump selection

    So what is your favorite brand/model and why? This will be for my 6000 gallon FB inground pool build. I have desperately wanted a variable speed but it makes absolutely no financial sense in my application.

    So, Tell me your stories and share experiences. Please!
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    Re: 3/4 hp single speed pump selection

    What about a 2 speed? They usually run a bit less in terms of cost vs a VS. Here is an up rated 1 HP two speed:

    Amazon.com : Pentair 340042 SuperFlo High Performance Energy Efficient Two Speed Pool Pump, 1 Horsepower, 230 Volt, 1 Phase - Energy Star Certified : Swimming Pool Water Pumps : Garden Outdoor

    But given the cost of a new build, why do you say a VS makes no financial sense. It isn't much of a increase given the money you are already spending.
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    Re: 3/4 hp single speed pump selection

    Hahaha. I knew you guys were gonna try and sell me!!!!

    I just don’t see any point. There will be very little return on investment. Before I get too deep, the nail in the coffin for vs is due to the automation system I chose. It only works with single speed pumps. It is a simple system and that’s how I want to keep it. Also, in Canada I can get a 3/4 hp for about $450 Canadian. Vs pumps are 3 times that. But again, I’m kinda set on this automation system.
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    Re: 3/4 hp single speed pump selection

    1/3 or 1/2 hp should do you, at that wattage single speeds are cheap
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    Re: 3/4 hp single speed pump selection

    Cheap to run you mean? Yes.

    So what brands guys?
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    Re: 3/4 hp single speed pump selection

    Hayward, Pentair, Jandy. It doesn't really matter. Reliability in pumps is primarily dependent on the motor and not the wet end. But pump manufactures only make the wet end and use motors from motor manufactures.
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    Re: 3/4 hp single speed pump selection

    and I doubt they use American made Leeson or Baldor right.
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    Re: 3/4 hp single speed pump selection

    Nooo! Emerson, Nidec (US Motors), Regal-Beloit (AO Smith/Century). Pretty much all are made in China or Mexico these days.

    This is a good pump:

    Pentair SuperFlo 1/2 HP Single Speed Pump - 340036 - INYOPools.com

    But you can get a two speed with the switch in the back for a little bit more:

    Pentair SuperFlo 1 HP Dual Speed Pump - 340042 - INYOPools.com

    Running on low speed would save about 75% in energy costs. You will easily make up the cost difference in a season or two.
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    Re: 3/4 hp single speed pump selection

    Look at what we pay in Canada. Lol
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    Re: 3/4 hp single speed pump selection

    Looking on that site, the cheapest pump was $350-$400 and the cheapest 2 speed was $530. The $350 pump was 1 hp.....
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    Re: 3/4 hp single speed pump selection

    Drive 2hrs to Buffalo, buy a pump, put it in the trunk under some luggage and loose clothes and save some money....
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    Re: 3/4 hp single speed pump selection

    Take a day off work, Drive 2 hours, at $6 a gallon. Buy in us funds @ 30% exchange rate. Pay 13% duty at border. Drive home at $6 a gallon. HahAhahahaha
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    Re: 3/4 hp single speed pump selection

    2 hrs at 60 mph I guess, 120 miles X2, 240 / 15 mpg x 6 = $96

    $300 pump , I guess x 1.3 = $390

    Add 13% = $50.70

    = $536

    Fun times crossing the border, priceless!

    Fill up in the us side for $3 a gallon, bring a drum!
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    Re: 3/4 hp single speed pump selection

    That’s why you put the cut-out under the backseat. It’s where you put the US merchandise. When asked what you did in the US you respond “visiting friends”.

    Can’t help you on the gasoline. You guys simply pay way too much for it.
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    Re: 3/4 hp single speed pump selection

    I don't lie to border guards. They will flag me and every time I cross it will be a 2 hour ordeal.

    I just ordered my pool lights from the US as they were not available in Canada. $1200usd. my PayPal was charged just under $1600 Canadian and when Mr UPS gets here, I will have to hand him 13% on the 1600. lol

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    Re: 3/4 hp single speed pump selection

    Isn't the difference in price just a reflection of the exchange rate?

    This pump is listed as $339.99 on a US site:

    Pentair SuperFlo 3/4 HP Single Speed Pump - 340037 - INYOPools.com

    The same pump is listed as $429.99 on a CA site:

    Pentair 3/4 HP SuperFlo Pump Ingroun - Pool Supplies Canada

    The ratio is 1.27 which is actually a bit lower than the true exchange rate so the CA pump is a slightly better deal. Although shipping might be different.
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    Re: 3/4 hp single speed pump selection

    It depends on many factors I am sure. When exchange rate was at par consumer goods were still 10 -20% higher here.

    With the exception of a few things like beer. lol. I think it's around $50 for a case of beer and that doesn't improve with a strong dollar.
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    Re: 3/4 hp single speed pump selection

    $50 for beer

    Forget the cold and snow, I’d never survive the sobriety....
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    Re: 3/4 hp single speed pump selection

    ya. the people at your walmarts taking a selfie with the stack of beer and the $14.88 sign........They are Canadians. lol
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