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    New Build- want to include a small Lazy River

    Let me start over with this Post, I'm new here and so far I have only met with 1 Pb with 2 more coming out in the next week. The pool we have in our minds would have a 30-40ft lazy river layout. I'm in a tx area where we have a lot of Rock and I have a problem with having a septic tank in the area we want the pool, so far I have received quotes of 7k-11k for a new septic system as they said it would be about the same costs and if trying to relocate the existing system, the tank could crack anyway. has anyone had to deal with a similar situation? I hate the fact that I would have to dump 7-10k for no reason.. as m system works fine, but the preious owners/builder of my home decided to put in a horrible spot with so much room available for its location. The Pb we met with suggested Pentair equipment, i'm not too familiar with pool equipment brands but I will spend the next few weeks combing through this great site. Also would anyone in the DFW area have any recommendations on PB or subs if we decide to possible try the Owner Builder route, I'm South of Dallas in Ellis County. I'm trying to stay within a $75k budget but willing to go up to 90k. Thank you all for your help.

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    Re: self build lazy river pool questions

    I will call in some of the people who did self builds and see what they can tell you!

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    Re: New Build- want to include a small lazy river

    yard.jpgThank You kim, here is a picture of the backyard I'm looking to put this pool in.

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    Re: New Build- want to include a small Lazy River

    In many places you need an approved drain field location and a reserve drain field as well in case the first one gets fouled. Do you just need to move the tank or relocate the drain field(s) as well?
    17' x 30' rectangle pool, two 7' x 7' baja decks, 6' x 8' raised spa. Hayward 2HP VSP for features, filter and returns. 2HP single speed for 9 spa jets. 1HP blower for spa bubbles. In-Floor cleaning, Cartridge filter, AquaConnect automation, 400K BTU NG heater. Plaster is Stonescapes mini-pebble in Aqua Blue + abalone shell TF-100 Text from Neighbor -- They're digging your pool!

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    Re: New Build- want to include a small Lazy River

    Quote Originally Posted by BigEinAZ View Post
    In many places you need an approved drain field location and a reserve drain field as well in case the first one gets fouled. Do you just need to move the tank or relocate the drain field(s) as well?
    I would have to relocate the drain field as well since they ran the lines right down the middle of the property... again no idea why they would pick such a bad location. We sit on just over 1 acre so it just baffles me that with the amount of space they made pretty much impossible for future expansion into the backyard or placement of a pool without having to relocate/install a system. Are the quotes i'm getting avg? 7-10k?

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    Re: New Build- want to include a small Lazy River

    Does that figure include perc tests and engineering/permitting? How about removal and haul-off of the tank and spoil? Will you need to budget for tree removal?
    17' x 30' rectangle pool, two 7' x 7' baja decks, 6' x 8' raised spa. Hayward 2HP VSP for features, filter and returns. 2HP single speed for 9 spa jets. 1HP blower for spa bubbles. In-Floor cleaning, Cartridge filter, AquaConnect automation, 400K BTU NG heater. Plaster is Stonescapes mini-pebble in Aqua Blue + abalone shell TF-100 Text from Neighbor -- They're digging your pool!

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    Re: New Build- want to include a small Lazy River

    Quote Originally Posted by BigEinAZ View Post
    Does that figure include perc tests and engineering/permitting? How about removal and haul-off of the tank and spoil? Will you need to budget for tree removal?
    their 7-10k quote is for the removal and installation of the new equipment. My 75k budget is for the pool only not including the septic removal. I will need to remove all the smaller trees in the more open area and 2-3 large cedar trees, i'm looking forward to what the PB comes back with as far as a design.

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    Re: New Build- want to include a small Lazy River

    I was thinking you may have to remove some trees for your drain field . . .
    17' x 30' rectangle pool, two 7' x 7' baja decks, 6' x 8' raised spa. Hayward 2HP VSP for features, filter and returns. 2HP single speed for 9 spa jets. 1HP blower for spa bubbles. In-Floor cleaning, Cartridge filter, AquaConnect automation, 400K BTU NG heater. Plaster is Stonescapes mini-pebble in Aqua Blue + abalone shell TF-100 Text from Neighbor -- They're digging your pool!

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    Re: New Build- want to include a small Lazy River

    After contacting 5 PB, 2 showed up and only 1 has sent a design over after 3 weeks. Would love some input on this design. Were hopping to start around Jan, as I want to be around more and when this is going on and just too busy the rest of this yr. My concern was the size, I just want it to be big enough to have family and friends over and it not be too tight. Also, as in my first post, I have a lot of cedar trees and I think I might remove some because I don't want all the stuff in the drop constantly in the pool and I think a couple would be actually in the way. Any ideas on this? Thanks all!






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    Re: New Build- want to include a small Lazy River

    Thats pretty awesome. That would be 100 k in my neck of the woods. Plus actually. Sweet design though!
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    Re: New Build- want to include a small Lazy River

    Quote Originally Posted by jimim View Post
    Thats pretty awesome. That would be 100 k in my neck of the woods. Plus actually. Sweet design though!

    Thanks, I forgot to ask about heating, any experience with a heat pump? Wife wants this thing heated to extend the swimming season, we live outside city limits for now so we don't have gas in our neighborhood. Thanks

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    Re: New Build- want to include a small Lazy River

    That looks soooo fun!!


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    Re: New Build- want to include a small Lazy River

    Nope. I have gas. My cousin has a heat pump. He is up north too. Pretty much his runs all the time to maintain temp. I haven't talk with him about it yet really.
    35x23/20 free form gunite 3.5-6 feet water. approx. 20,000 gallons. no spa or water features. 2 skim, 2 ret, floor ret, floor return. 2 inch solid. suction cleaning line. 1.5 inch solid. super blue diamond brite. NPT Gemstone Blue 2x2 with custom waterjet cut Disney Mickey markers. all pentair equipment. master temp 300,000 BTU. de 60. inteliflo 3.0 VS. swg ic40. 3 globrite LED lights. easy touch 4 with screen logic. tf-100/ salt kit

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    Re: New Build- want to include a small Lazy River

    Awesome design! Love the wet deck/LR area. Would have loved to do something like that if we had the room. As far as PBs go, we put ours in three years ago and I got six bids. Four were not worth considering for a variety of reasons. But it came down to Accent in Arlington and Puryear in Fort Worth. It was really a toss up in terms of price and reviews/referrals, etc. We went with Puryear mainly because they threw in some extras at the time that would have cost extra elsewhere. But I'd have been really happy with Accent too. We had good referrals from friends who had used both and found them both to be a good combination of cost and quality versus the others I looked at. Holler if you have any PB questions since I'm in your area and we went through it recently.
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    Re: New Build- want to include a small Lazy River

    Man that looks like fun!!

    How wide is the lazy river? How big is the wet deck?

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    Re: New Build- want to include a small Lazy River

    Quote Originally Posted by kimkats View Post
    Man that looks like fun!!

    How wide is the lazy river? How big is the wet deck?

    Kim

    The lazy river will be 5ft wide and 4 ft deep, I don't have a Sq footage of the wet deck yet.

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    Re: New Build- want to include a small Lazy River

    I received the following for this build, any thoughts or ideas on this proposal? equipment you would not use? anything you would recommend? Any input on a propane system? Would a heat pump be a better option? Thank you all for you input.


    Swimming Pool Specifications

    Length: 40
    Widest Width: 239" Surface Area: 810 Perimeter: 108

    Gallons: 38,700 Depths: 3
    6" to 56" to 86" Type 4 Diving Pool

    Equipment Specifications

    Filter Pump: Pentair Intelliflo VST Variable Speed Pump

    Filter: Pentair Clean and Clear Plus 420

    Cleaner: Pentair Racer with Booster Pump

    Skimmers: 2

    Main Drains: Dual Safety Drains

    Return Inlets: 5

    Lighting: 2 - 500 Watt White Light with GFCI Protection & Light Switch at Patio

    Controls: Time Clock with Freeze Guard (Built into Pump)

    Chlorinator: Pentair 320 Tablet Feeder

    Fill Line: Fill line connected to hose bib

    Finishes

    12" Coping Ledge:
    Oklahoma Flagstone or Similar

    6" Tiled Waterline:
    From Standard Samples

    Interior Surface: Standard White Plaster

    Glow in the Dark Spotter Tiles: On all Steps and Benches




    Spa Specifications






    Size: 86" x 6 Water Dimensions


    Jets: 6


    Center Fountain: Included


    100 Watt Light with Switch


    Tiered Spillover to Pool


    Raised 18" above Pool



    Heater







    Pentair 400,000 Btu Propane Heater


    Shared by Pool and Spa


    Decking Specifications

    Area per Plan: 800 Sq. Ft. per Design

    Type: Standard Grey Salt Finished Concrete or Washed Aggregate

    Mastic Joint: Included

    Bar Stools

    4- 12" Diameter Bar Stools with 1x1 Tile Covering

    Gunite Slide

    Approximately 66" Tall with 13 long runway

    Flagstone Steps with Solar Accent Light

    1x1 Tiled runway

    Waterfall on pool side of slide

    2 Hp Pump





    Lazy River


    Approximately 53 Long x 5 Wide x 4 Deep

    Tile and Coping to match Pool

    Plaster interior surface

    2 500 Watt Lights

    3 Return Lines




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    Re: New Build- want to include a small Lazy River

    I really like your design, I would likely go with a SWG and Automation and upgrade the lights to LEDs. Depending on the price of propane I'd be more inclined to go with a Heat Pump as I'm sure it would be more cost effective in your climate. Can't wait to see the finished product.


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    Re: New Build- want to include a small Lazy River

    I like what you posted so far.

    Lets talk about valves for the skimmers and returns. You need to use GOOD valves. Here is one example:

    Diverter Valve 1/5” and 2” - Pentair

    You do NOT want the ball valves like you can buy from Lowes.

    You want each skimmer to have it's own valves so you can adjust them as you learn your pool.

    I would have the lazy river returns on their own valve and the pool returns on their own valve. That way you can adjust them as you want/need.

    Your main drain should also have it's own valve.

    Make sure they use unions on all of the equipment so you will not have to cut the PVC when you need to service or replace something.

    That lazy river ride sounds like the real deal! That is going to be fun!

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    Re: New Build- want to include a small Lazy River

    Only thing that jumps out at me that I would definitely change is the standard white plaster. I'd definitely go with a pebble or something similar that are not only longer lasting, but have some color options as well. Especially with your incredible setup. I know it's yet another extra expense, but we negotiated ours in after we'd been quoted a price. We had a quartz finish in our bids, but really wanted pebble. Once it was narrowed down to two, I called the PB I was leaning toward and told him if he threw the pebble in for the same price, I'd sign the contract that day. He made a call and got back to me in 5 minutes and said yes.

    Really love the plan and looking forward to seeing this one!
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