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    Pentair 5G pool lights help. What is this?

    Hey Group. Long story short. I saw something that looked like a shadow on the underside of my lights in the pool wall. Under closer inspection, I believe it is rust. I had the pool installed in September of last year. I removed the light from the niche and this is what I found. What would this be coming from the hole in the back?

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    Re: Pentair 5G pool lights help. What is this?

    You are right, it looks like rust to me too. Many metals are compatible with salt water pools...
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    Re: Pentair 5G pool lights help. What is this?

    Looks like dirt that got into the PVC conduit that the line runs through. It's just now working it's way down hill to the light niche.

    Sure hope it's not rust! I just installed the same light in my salt pool.
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    Re: Pentair 5G pool lights help. What is this?

    Is the conduit PVC? Id guess it is. If yes, there is little chance it is rust. The dirt explanation seems like a good one. does it scrub off?
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    Re: Pentair 5G pool lights help. What is this?

    My first impression is mud. Can you "scoop" it with net. you should be able to tell by touch.
    Being from the south we have that red clay, Ultisol, which is what I first thought in the pool floor and niche pics.

    Using your profile location, it looks like your region has alfisols. Has iron.

    My initial guess is maybe it's rust from the soil. Perhaps decoupled conduit allowed it into the niche where it rusted in the niche.

    You know your area better than I, check the map:
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    Re: Pentair 5G pool lights help. What is this?

    Grab a magnet and run it thru the goop. If its rust, it will stick.
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    Re: Pentair 5G pool lights help. What is this?

    I just got off the phone with Pentair (again) and the local service company states that some of the rust is coming from the bronze screw that is used to hold the light into the niche. Also, that my electrical installer should have sealed my conduit with potting compound. I'm so confused. I went back and looked at Pentair's install manual and it states to only use the special bronze screw. See image below.
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    Secondly, where does it say anywhere that the niche needs to be sealed to the pvc conduit?

    Any info to help me when I contact my electrician would be greatly appreciated.

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    Re: Pentair 5G pool lights help. What is this?

    So a cup full of rust comes from one screw? I am skeptical. Did you show them the pictures?
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    Re: Pentair 5G pool lights help. What is this?

    They come back with "water chemistry....bla bla bla" I'm in contact with the electrician installer and seeing what he used to connect the pvc conduit to the niches. It's going to be a battle I'm afraid.


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    Re: Pentair 5G pool lights help. What is this?

    "Rust is iron oxide, formed when iron reacts with moisture and oxygen from it's environment. Bronze contains no iron, it is an alloy of copper and tin (and a few other metals such as zinc, but these are usually minor additions, the major constituents do not vary) so cannot form rust."
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    Re: Pentair 5G pool lights help. What is this?

    When I first saw it I thought it was Galvanic Corrosion - resulting from a light electrical current being in touch with the metal.

    That would be a lot of rust.. in fact a massive amount of rust for a year or two.

    IF it is rust I would see if the light is wired and grounded properly at the J box-- but then read this article.

    Mystery Stains in Salt Generator Pools - AQUA Magazine

    The solution would be to install a sacrificial anode (a softer metal like zinc) that absorbs this charge vs your light niche. Also replace all the niche screws with stainless steel.
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