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    Help with Water Balancing

    Hi Everyone

    So I opened pool Saturday, I've been working on getting it clean and ready:

    Right now I'm getting the following:

    Fc-0
    Cc- 2.5
    Ph-7.0

    Haven't tested anything else.
    Water looks great, meaning clear;
    Why can't I get a fc reading?
    How to lower cc?
    Thanks for your help, as always!!
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    Re: Help with Water Balancing

    Sounds like there is not visible algae lurking, best to get a SLAM going now. What is your current CYA?
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    Re: Help with Water Balancing

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Bruce View Post
    Sounds like there is not visible algae lurking, best to get a SLAM going now. What is your current CYA?
    I didn't test the cya yet, I will when I get home tonight; I should start the SLAM before doing anything else? Can I finish vacuuming? Thanks for your help!
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    Re: Help with Water Balancing

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamS View Post
    I didn't test the cya yet, I will when I get home tonight; I should start the SLAM before doing anything else? Can I finish vacuuming? Thanks for your help!
    Sure, vacuum out as much debris as you can and backwash it away if there was a lot of it. It means fewer organics to consume the bleach, leaving it all to kill the stuff you can't see. Remember, just because it's in the filter and not in the pool doesn't mean it is gone. It's just out of sight. You're still treating the water inside the filter.

    The movement from vacuuming and filtering will mix the water up good so you'll get accurate test results. Remember, before you SLAM with bleach, you'll need to know pH and CYA and possibly deal with them first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard320 View Post
    Sure, vacuum out as much debris as you can and backwash it away if there was a lot of it. It means fewer organics to consume the bleach, leaving it all to kill the stuff you can't see. Remember, just because it's in the filter and not in the pool doesn't mean it is gone. It's just out of sight. You're still treating the water inside the filter.

    The movement from vacuuming and filtering will mix the water up good so you'll get accurate test results. Remember, before you SLAM with bleach, you'll need to know pH and CYA and possibly deal with them first.

    OK so I just tested for everything:
    FC-0
    CC- 2.0
    PH- 7.4
    TA- 50
    CH- 90
    CYA- 0

    So my plan is to add stabilizer, and then chlorine to shock level, is that correct?
    Is it normal that my ph went up on its own from 7.0 to 7.4 without adding anything besides chlorine and vacuuming?
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    Re: Help with Water Balancing

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamS View Post
    OK so I just tested for everything:
    FC-0
    CC- 2.0
    PH- 7.4
    TA- 50
    CH- 90
    CYA- 0

    So my plan is to add stabilizer, and then chlorine to shock level, is that correct?
    Is it normal that my ph went up on its own from 7.0 to 7.4 without adding anything besides chlorine and vacuuming?
    Easy one first: yes, pH rises naturally with agitation. Not so different than shaking a bottle of Coke.

    With all the CYA gone and a lot of CC, hold off on the CYA for a little bit. You might have ammonia. What you do instead is raise FC to 10 and get it mixed and retest it in 10 minutes. If you have ammonia, the FC will all be gone and the CC will be higher than it was, usually by a good bit. Repeat that until FC is above 5 after 10 minutes, then go ahead and raise CYA to 30 and start the SLAM.
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    Re: Help with Water Balancing

    Hi Richard

    Thank you, you actually helped me last year with similar problem. However I don't think I have ammonia because last night I added chlorine to get to 10, brushed it in and retested after 10 minutes, fc was holding, for the most part and cc went down to 0.
    My results late last night were
    Fc 11.5
    Cc- .5

    This morning it was
    Fc 7
    Cc 0
    Cya still 0---- I added stabilizer last night in socks (how long until that should show up?)
    Is it possible my R-0013 chemical is not accurate? It is from last season.
    Thanks for your help as always!
    Adam
    17x34 and ranges in depth from 3 ft to 6 ft.; I think 20-22 thousand Gallons
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    Re: Help with Water Balancing

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamS View Post
    Hi Richard

    Thank you, you actually helped me last year with similar problem. However I don't think I have ammonia because last night I added chlorine to get to 10, brushed it in and retested after 10 minutes, fc was holding, for the most part and cc went down to 0.
    My results late last night were
    Fc 11.5
    Cc- .5

    This morning it was
    Fc 7
    Cc 0
    Cya still 0---- I added stabilizer last night in socks (how long until that should show up?)
    Is it possible my R-0013 chemical is not accurate? It is from last season.
    Thanks for your help as always!
    Adam
    Give it another day before you worry about the CYA. Has it all dissolved? Fully dissolved and mixed, it won't get very cloudy at 30, and if right now only half is dissolved, you might not see it. That's why we urge restraint when adding CYA, because there might be some already even if the tester shows none.
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    Re: Help with Water Balancing

    Ok will wait on cya-- am I correct though to assume no Amonia? Thank you!
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    Re: Help with Water Balancing

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamS View Post
    Ok will wait on cya-- am I correct though to assume no Amonia? Thank you!
    I'd say so. Ammonia will use up bleach about as fast as you can pour it in. FC wouldn't have held that well. Now you're just dealing with algae.
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    Re: Help with Water Balancing

    Hi everyone,
    So last night my
    Fc was 11.0
    This morning 9.0
    Cc- 0
    Cya- <30 but definitely the stabilizer I added did something

    Am i done slamming or losing 2 ppm overnight means there is still algae??
    Thanks as always!!

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    Re: Help with Water Balancing

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamS View Post
    Hi everyone,
    So last night my
    Fc was 11.0
    This morning 9.0
    Cc- 0
    Cya- <30 but definitely the stabilizer I added did something

    Am i done slamming or losing 2 ppm overnight means there is still algae??
    Thanks as always!!
    Close, but no cigar.

    You're not done yet. You need to lose less than 1 FC overnight, and have .5 or less CC, and have clear water even after brushing.
    16K freeform gunite with spa; Pentair 4000 DE filter; Century Whisperflow 1 HP; Pentair Minimax heater.
    Troublefree does not mean Maintenancefree. It's like brushing your teeth: You can spend a couple minutes a day and pennies a week or go to the dentist once a year and spend several thousand dollars.
    A pool is like a pet - you have to feed it every day, even the days you don't want to play with it!

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