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    New 2 speed motor replacement - need wiring help

    Yesterday was pool opening day only to find out that the motor was seized up good and tight. The motor I had is an AO Smith 2 speed that is controlled by a 2 speed timer and is wired with 4 wires coming from my timer panel. The only motor I could find locally has a canopy switch on the back but other than that will work fine. I just need some help in getting this motor wired properly to use the 2 speed timer to control the motor instead of the canopy switch . Here are a couple of pics and details.Any help here would be greatly appreciated

    Existing wires coming from panel:
    White - line
    Red - High speed
    Purple - Low speed
    Green - Gnd

    Timer Wiring (wires heading to pump are in conduit on right. Circuit 1=high speed. Circuit 2=low speed):


    New Pump Label / Wiring Diagram:


    New Pump Connections

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    Re: New 2 speed motor replacement - need wiring help

    I know I've seen this question before.

    Did a little googling. I think this is what you want to know.

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    Re: New 2 speed motor replacement - need wiring help

    Thanks Richard320. Do I need to remove the switch and rewire anything or should I just connect the leads as shown and move on?

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    Re: New 2 speed motor replacement - need wiring help

    Quote Originally Posted by jeremyp View Post
    Thanks Richard320. Do I need to remove the switch and rewire anything or should I just connect the leads as shown and move on?
    You've removed the switch electrically, so there's no reason not to remove it physically, unless it leaves a big hole and your old cover plate won't fit.
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    Re: New 2 speed motor replacement - need wiring help

    I actually haven't removed it electrically yet. It's the Carling switch in the bottom left of the last picture in the first post. I'm assuming I can just simply pull off the wires and don't need to do anything else at the motor except connect the leads from my timer?

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    Re: New 2 speed motor replacement - need wiring help

    Quote Originally Posted by jeremyp View Post
    I actually haven't removed it electrically yet. It's the Carling switch in the bottom left of the last picture in the first post. I'm assuming I can just simply pull off the wires and don't need to do anything else at the motor except connect the leads from my timer?
    That's what it looks like to me. All you're really doing is moving the switch from the back of the motor to the panel.
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    Re: New 2 speed motor replacement - need wiring help

    OK, I wired it as in your pic, unplugged the Carling canopy switch and removed the red and yellow jumper wires. I did not remove the white one as it runs underneath and can't get to it. When I tested it the high circuit runs, but the low circuit does not. Any suggestions?

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    Re: New 2 speed motor replacement - need wiring help

    Quote Originally Posted by jeremyp View Post
    OK, I wired it as in your pic, unplugged the Carling canopy switch and removed the red and yellow jumper wires. I did not remove the white one as it runs underneath and can't get to it. When I tested it the high circuit runs, but the low circuit does not. Any suggestions?
    I'm not seeing any jumpers in the picture.
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    Re: New 2 speed motor replacement - need wiring help

    By jumpers, I mean short wire leads. The short black and yellow wires running from the switch to the terminal block were removed after unplugging from the switch.

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    Re: New 2 speed motor replacement - need wiring help

    Quote Originally Posted by jeremyp View Post
    By jumpers, I mean short wire leads. The short black and yellow wires running from the switch to the terminal block were removed after unplugging from the switch.
    Hmmmm. Let me study on this a bit.

    Okay... looking at the pic I posted, I see another connection coming up from below on the white wire, terminal 1.

    If your motor doesn't have that, that's where the white wire to the Carling switch goes. You probably don't have to snake it around behind, just connect it to one of the empty spade terminals on 1
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    Re: New 2 speed motor replacement - need wiring help

    Here's a pic that'll help explain what I'm talking about. I marked the lines in red and circled the canopy switch. These are the things I removed.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard320 View Post
    Hmmmm. Let me study on this a bit.
    Thanks. I really appreciate your help on this.

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    Re: New 2 speed motor replacement - need wiring help

    Did you see my edit?
    16K freeform gunite with spa; Pentair 4000 DE filter; Century Whisperflow 1 HP; Pentair Minimax heater.
    Troublefree does not mean Maintenancefree. It's like brushing your teeth: You can spend a couple minutes a day and pennies a week or go to the dentist once a year and spend several thousand dollars.
    A pool is like a pet - you have to feed it every day, even the days you don't want to play with it!

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    Re: New 2 speed motor replacement - need wiring help

    Just read it now. I will try that when I get home. I just left that white disconnected for testing.


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    Re: New 2 speed motor replacement - need wiring help

    Jeremy, Richard320 is going to be off-line for a bit, so if you come back and look for an update, we'll push one of our other electrical experts your way. If you post and I don't see it, or someone doesn't reply, shoot me a PM.
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    Re: New 2 speed motor replacement - need wiring help

    Thanks Texas


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    You should have 240 coming in to the timer. The white wire should be 120 volts going from the timer to terminal 1. Note that white is usually used for neutral and not the best choice for a power wire. Put black electrical tape on both ends to identify it as a power wire.

    Red goes to terminal 2.

    Remove the short black jumper from the switch and the yellow jumper completely from the pump.

    The white wire connected to the switch gets removed from the switch and connected to the purple wire. You can connect them directly or connect both to terminal 3.

    I don't know the timer wiring, so make sure that that's correct and can only power one set of windings at a time.
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    Re: New 2 speed motor replacement - need wiring help

    JamesW, Thanks. That did it. I took the white wire that was connected to the switch and connected it to the 3/4 terminal with the purple low speed wire.

    Thank you all for your help.

    JP


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    Re: New 2 speed motor replacement - need wiring help

    Good job. Thanks for the update.
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    Re: New 2 speed motor replacement - need wiring help

    The end result should be that when you select high speed, 240 goes to terminals 1 and 2 with no power to 3/4 and when you select low speed, 240 volts goes to terminals 1 and 3/4 with no power to terminal 2.

    Also, verify that the total HP of this motor is equal to or greater than the old motor.

    Total HP is hp x service factor (S.F). This motor has 1.0 x 1.0 for a total of 1.0 total hp.
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    Re: New 2 speed motor replacement - need wiring help

    The pump is a Hayward Superpump that had a 1 hp motor and a SF of 1.0. I quickly replaced that one to put in a 2 speed pump that was also a 1 hp but had a 1.5 SF. The new 2 speed replacement pump is a 1 hp and a SF f 1.0 so back to where I originally started. I'll grab my DVM and do some voltage checks as you suggested.

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