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    Shade Sail

    Anyone install a shade sail over the pool? What did you use for support posts? Anyone have them so they can be removable?


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    Re: Shade Sail

    I confess I have never seen one over the pool.

    I suggest that you look at umbrellas they are easier to move and adjust as the afternoon rols on and the sun moves across the sky.
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    We have one but it’s not directly over the pool but over theconcrete area behind the pool, it will shade the pool in the summers herestarting about 3 PM.

    Back in 2010 I originally intended to make it removablebecause of the summer dust storms that whip through Phoenix but after puttingit up I managed to kind of deter myself of that idea and as it turns out it’sbeen maintenance and trouble free.Ibought two 4”X 12’ and one 4”X15’ pieces of black pipe and fallowed the adviceof the web site I found on how to install them.The 12’ pipe is buried 4’ deep and the 15’ is down 5’, so that’s 8’ and10’ above ground.Then I measured andordered a custom shade sale.

    I sized it down so at the two 8’ tall corners I drilledholes for some 3/8” eye bolts and secured the shade sale with some sturdy carabiners.Then at the 10’ high corner I used the same3/8” eyebolt, some ľ” cable with clamps and a turnbuckle to take up theslack.

    I’m getting old so I apologize but I want to say the dimensionsof the shade sail are about 28’ long and 12 wide and its triangle shaped.I think altogether we paid about 2G’s andthat includes paying laborers to dig the 3’X4’ and 3’X5’.

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    Re: Shade Sail

    Also in the Phoenix area and I have a 16x16 square shade sail over about half of my pool.



    One corner hooks directly to the fascia board using a 5/16ths eye lag bolt and a D-ring. Corner two uses the same eye lag bolt but into a wall as that part of the house is two stories and about 4 feet of 1/4 inch wire rope.

    Corners 3 and 4 use about 8-10 feet of the wire rope and were originally attached directly to the cinder block fence using some anchors. That was a disaster. Once morning I was brushing my teeth and I hear a loud "whump" and feel the ground shake. When our pool was built, they added a course or two to our fence, but couldn't add rebar to the posts, so the wind picked up and ripped a 16x16x8 cinder block full of concrete off the post and it fell 7ish feet to the rocks below.

    So then I replaced the cinder block and patched the wall up and built some better anchors. Took some sections of 2x2 square tube and welded 4 tabs with two mounting holes each to the posts. Drilled anchors into every other cinder block (messed up a few) on the column and mounted the posts to the cinder block columns. I've had an angle gauge on one of the posts for a couple years now and it only moves a degree or two even during monsoons.



    For the post with the cinder block I replaced, I used an extra set of mounting wings, just to be safe.



    The sails come with some turnbuckles and nylon rope. I used the turnbuckles as I figured they would be the "fuse" as the weakest part but I tossed the nylon rope in the trash. The only problem I have had (other than the cinder block fiasco) was on corner two. I didn't form the loop in the wire rope properly and it pulled loose twice. Now it's double clamped and this summer we'll see how it holds up.

    If I sink a big post for a zip line over the pool (wife's idea) I'll end up moving the mount to that to get it off the cinder block wall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by philthy View Post
    So then I replaced the cinder block and patched the wall up and built some better anchors. Took some sections of 2x2 square tube and welded 4 tabs with two mounting holes each to the posts. Drilled anchors into every other cinder block (messed up a few) on the column and mounted the posts to the cinder block columns. I've had an angle gauge on one of the posts for a couple years now and it only moves a degree or two even during monsoons.



    If I sink a big post for a zip line over the pool (wife's idea) I'll end up moving the mount to that to get it off the cinder block wall.
    This post is exactly what I was looking for. I want to put up four 8x8 sails on the side of my house to shade the dogs, but I really don't want to sink in some posts. The valley dirt is a pain to dig into as is. How long have you had the metal poles mounted to the wall now? Or have you switched out for your wife's idea. Ha! That and if you had to do anything different what would you change? Just want to see if I can learn from any of your mistakes.

    Thanks, Philthy!

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    After pool was installed I looked into a shade sail to cover half of pool. This was 2 years ago and couldn’t find much info, especially for my area. What I found kind of scared me with the size and strength and length of posts needed. Then the size of holes to sink post,and amount of concrete needed. Posts would be a sore thumb to look at all year. Didn’t take me long to nix the idea.
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    Re: Shade Sail

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    I installed two and LOVE THEM. So much cooler underneath, and I think the pool water was a little cooler this year. I installed them with concrete screws into the brick, and on the opposite side was metal posts that were attached to the fence.
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    Re: Shade Sail

    Quote Originally Posted by djengomac View Post
    This post is exactly what I was looking for. I want to put up four 8x8 sails on the side of my house to shade the dogs, but I really don't want to sink in some posts. The valley dirt is a pain to dig into as is. How long have you had the metal poles mounted to the wall now? Or have you switched out for your wife's idea. Ha! That and if you had to do anything different what would you change? Just want to see if I can learn from any of your mistakes.

    Thanks, Philthy!
    Be careful of mounting poles to the walls especially if youíre in a HOA community.
    I know the dirt here is a pain to dig, but with a few power tools, you can get it done easily. I have a sail over my pool that is currently attached to a couple of trees and a support pole on my patio roof. Iím going to install pvc sleeves into the ground this winter so I can hang two of them next summer. By installing the sleeves into the ground, I can simply slide the poles into the sleeves for the sails, then take them out when done for the season.
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    Re: Shade Sail

    Don’t be fooled into thinking that those block walls have any strength. They are intended for privacy, and constructed out of 3 1/2 block that isn’t even fully mortared into place. Take a carefull look at the wall and you will notice that most of the vertical joints have no mortar. I wouldn’t attach a shade sail to a privacy wall. You are just asking for problems.
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    Re: Shade Sail

    There are shade sails and then there are shade sails. If "nylon rope" is involved, that is a tarp! Here:

    https://shadesails.com

    Do it right, do it once!

    I have one over my pool. It solves what no umbrella can. Shade directly over the water when the sun is highest/hottest. No pole sticking out of the ground, or the pool, or a giant concrete stand. 100% wind proof. And obscures as little of the skyline as possible (because it is flat, not shaped like an umbrella!).

    If properly tensioned, they require some heavy-duty support. Even without wind, there is significant force going on, with wind: very high forces. Not a pole stuck in a few ft of concrete. Or screws into a fence. Ideally, all but one of the corners should be connected to structure, like a house or patio cover. Then the other corner can fly a bit. By that I mean: most of the corners connected directly to a house, the other corner can then be attached to a cable that runs a bit to some other support. I fudged mine a bit: one to the patio cover, one about 6' away from its anchor, and the third is about 20' from its anchor. It moves vertically a bit more because of that, but it's fine.

    The other two corners of mine run by 1/4" stainless steel cable to two 4x4 posts, which have three anchor points of their own: the footing (a pier block) and two down-wires: more 1/4" ss cable run down to the ground. I anchored those into the bottom of existing fence posts, where the connection is strongest. Connecting to the top of a fence is not as strong. You can just barely see them in the pic below, which is the point. They are near invisible. They attach to the bottom of the two closest fence posts. The other post comes up right through a tree and is not noticeable at all (left of pic). The third (look at the shadow on the deck) connects to my patio cover.

    I'll eventually grow a plant or vine up that post in the back, and it will disappear into my landscaping.

    I crank it very tight with ss turnbuckles. This is what keeps if from flapping around like a cheap tarp. I also ran a diagonal strap from the patio attachment point to the opposite corner of the patio cover, to transfer the load (pull) of the sail back across the patio. (Yes, that's how tight I tension it.)

    It's not big, just enough for a few people to stand under on a sunny day. So it doesn't impact the temp of the water much. I have solar panels, so it's mostly a non-issue. And I take it down each year for at least half the year, which should almost double its lifespan. The quality is likely the best available. And after three years it's not showing even a hint of wear and tear. I'd expect to have to replace the cheapie big-box versions every few years. I expect mine to last a decade or two. You get what you pay for.

    If you'd like any additional mounting details, etc, just ask...

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    Re: Shade Sail

    I was hoping to mount one end to the roof fascia. I'm super afraid it'll rip off so I plan on adding a ton of support brackets.
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    I was planning on adding 6' square metal tubing to mount onto the wall. What about doing a combo of an 8' tube that is sunk down about 2' (without concrete) and mounted to the wall as well?
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    Re: Shade Sail

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirk View Post
    There are shade sails and then there are shade sails. If "nylon rope" is involved, that is a tarp! Here:

    If you'd like any additional mounting details, etc, just ask...
    Dirk,

    Very nice! Actually I would like to know the mounting details of your sail. My future pool will not be near any structures so I will have to put up posts like you.

    Thank you.
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    Re: Shade Sail

    OK, you asked for it! Sorry OP, we've commandeered your thread! Keep in mind, I tend to overbuild. My yard gets pretty good wind, so far: no issues.

    Here is the view of the patio attachment and the second 4x4, which is completely hidden in the tree. Its down wires attach to the 4x4 posts supporting the fence, very near the dirt. Everything is stainless steel. Everything is 1/4" or better. The carabiners allow for easy(ish) install/removal each season.

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    Close up of the patio connection. That's a 2x12 support beam, not facia. You can just catch a glimpse of the flat bar I installed between the 2x2 supports and the metal roof. It runs diagonal across the entire roof and attaches to the rafters of the house. I didn't want the tension of the sail pulling the patio cover out of square.

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    Here's the connection to the shade sail. Notice the quality of the sail. D-ring, reinforced edges. Double-reinforced clew (corner). I used to sail. The thing is literally built like a sail, and able to withstand all the forces that might get applied to it. If your "sail" has grommets, that'll be where it comes apart first. I used a good-sized swage (wire crimp) everywhere. I bought a tool to do the swaging. It was one of those simple wrench-tighten models. Not too expensive. Takes a bit of time, but works very well.

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    Turnbuckle assembly at the top of the posts. More SS. Those are the "real deal." Like sailboat-quality. I could have attached the down wires in any number of ways, I chose to run it right through the wood. Less hardware. It's one wire, so less connections. Also allows for easy plumbing (post aligning). Nothing to adjust, just shove the post back and forth to get it straight, then under tension there's enough friction to keep it from going anywhere.

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    Here's the connection at the bottom of the fence posts. Just an eye bolt. I had originally planned for turnbuckles here, too but those thing are not cheap. With a little extra effort to swage precisely, I was able to eliminate four turnbuckles. Once I got close enough with the down wire lengths, I was able to slide the wire through the holes at the top for perfect plumb, and then kick the bottom of the post around (it is only sitting on a moveable pier block) to further fine tune the post's plumb. Much more difficult to describe than to actually adjust!

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    Here you can see the down wires and the the pier block. As I mentioned, this will eventually be hidden somewhat by foliage. The other post is already invisible.

    shade sail 6.jpg

    Had I to do it again, I might do two things differently. I would have swaged more carefully to avoid any of the wire strands from poking out the back end. It's trickier than it looks, because as you tighten, the swage expands and moves around a bit. I get poked once in a while by the strands, when I'm putting the thing up or down.

    And I think I could have done without any turnbuckles. Just use the nuts of the three eyebolts to tension the sail. The problem was, I didn't know exactly how the sail would stretch, and where everything would end up. Attempting this with no turnbuckles would be ambitious, and it's only now, that I know where everything ended up, that I could even consider the possibility.

    Sidebar... BIRDS! Note the anti-roosting shape at the top of my posts. Seems to work OK. I'll add nails if I ever see any birds up there. I've never seen any on the sail. I do see one once in a while on the wire, right over the pool. Not ideal. Birds tend to poop on take off. Winged rats!! It's not a hangout, fortunately. If it ever becomes one, I'll try the fishing line trick.
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