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    Variable speed pumps? Are they as good as they claim?

    Does anyone have one themselves. Are the savings between variable speed and single speed really that great? And would you say the high upfront cost offsets itself with the savings?

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    Re: Variable speed pumps? Are they as good as they claim?

    The short answer is yes a VS pump really will save you that much money and they work very well.

    Depending on your pool and equipment a 2-speed pump can be a cheaper alternative to VS while still getting the electrical savings. Please add some info to your signature about what kind of pool and equipment you have. It helps us help you.
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    Re: Variable speed pumps? Are they as good as they claim?

    I recently replaced a single-speed 1.5 HP 3450 RPM pump with a Pentair SuperFlo VS. The old pump pulled over 2000 watts and everything was always at hovering at the skimmer: floating lights, kickboards, floats, toys etc. I have the SuperFlo programmed to run at 1,200 RPM for daily circulation. At that speed it's nearly silent and uses 170 watts. The skimmer isn't very effective at that speed however, so when necessary I run it at 2,800 RPM which pulls 1,080 watts. The surface stays clean, but I can have items float in the pool without immediately heading for the skimmer.

    I have an app that monitors energy consumption in my house in real-time. The difference is impressive. No regrets.
    12,000 gal Diamond Brite indoor​ pool. Pentair Triton TR-60 Sand Filter +added DE, Lochinvar Energyrite ERN-200 gas heater, Pentair Multi-valve, Pentair SuperFlo VS pump, TF-100 kit, Pool Math App - iOS

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    Re: Variable speed pumps? Are they as good as they claim?

    A,

    Just for reference... To run my 3 HP Intelliflo, 24/7, costs me less than $20 a month.

    When it is running at 1,200 RPM it only uses 175 Watts of electrical power and it is so quiet that I have to almost touch it to make sure it is still running...

    Thanks for posting,

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    Re: Variable speed pumps? Are they as good as they claim?

    I love my VS pump. When it bites the dust I will order another before the sun sets. I run mine 24x7 in spring and fall for loaves and tree debris skimming, filtering and making chlorine. It runs at 1100 rpm and uses 150 watts. At 10.25c/kWh it costs less than 12 bucks a month to run 24x7.
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    Re: Variable speed pumps? Are they as good as they claim?

    I am having a new pool installed and the installer told me that because of my pool size (13,500 gallon rectangle SW pool) I did not need a VS pump and that I would not see price savings for many years down the road. He also informed me that VS pumps tended to break within 2/3 years. I called another place to verify his information and was told the same thing. I, like Abake, am curious on if VS pumps are as good as they claim.
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    Re: Variable speed pumps? Are they as good as they claim?

    Abate, I found this discussion which might help: https://www.troublefreepool.com/thre...p-for-variable
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    Re: Variable speed pumps? Are they as good as they claim?

    Simo711 I don't think your builder has very good information or your best interest in mind. Any size pool will save money on electrical cost with a multispeed or VS pump. There is plenty or real world unbiased data on here to back that up. It's not a gimic it's based in real science and numbers.
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    Re: Variable speed pumps? Are they as good as they claim?

    I have a Pentair 3HP VS Pump. Its super quiet, and like Jim, I run mine 24/7 and costs about 20 a month. If it died tonight, I would buy another one just like it immediately.
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    Re: Variable speed pumps? Are they as good as they claim?

    I had a strong feeling about that. Sigh. It's unfortunate because there is only 1 builder in my city.

    1. If I have the 1HP Max Flo single speed pump installed, could I upgrade later or would it be a huge hassle (more money)?
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    Re: Variable speed pumps? Are they as good as they claim?

    You're the customer. Can't you just tell him that you found a VS pump for a great deal with a long warranty and that's what he'll be installing?
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    Re: Variable speed pumps? Are they as good as they claim?

    I replaced my single speed 1hp Pentair SuperFlo with a 1.5 HP SuperFlo VS. In the peak of summer, I run my pump 24/7. I saved about $90/month.
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    Re: Variable speed pumps? Are they as good as they claim?

    I would get the pump you want up front and not spend the money on the single speed. Not only will you be paying for the pump but all the electricity it uses until you change. At the very least a 2-speed pump is a much better option than a single speed. I told my builder to take the cost of the pump out of his price. They were going to charge me 300 for a single speed 1hp pump. They had no issues with me supplying my own pump.
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    Re: Variable speed pumps? Are they as good as they claim?

    Quote Originally Posted by Divin Dave View Post
    I have a Pentair 3HP VS Pump. Its super quiet, and like Jim, I run mine 24/7 and costs about 20 a month. If it died tonight, I would buy another one just like it immediately.
    Dave...

    Since you would be dead, I think you mean your wife would buy a new pump immediately..

    In my case the priority would be..

    1. Buy new pump
    2. Feed cat
    2. Bury husband

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    Re: Variable speed pumps? Are they as good as they claim?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rollercoastr View Post
    I recently replaced a single-speed 1.5 HP 3450 RPM pump with a Pentair SuperFlo VS. The old pump pulled over 2000 watts and everything was always at hovering at the skimmer: floating lights, kickboards, floats, toys etc. I have the SuperFlo programmed to run at 1,200 RPM for daily circulation. At that speed it's nearly silent and uses 170 watts. The skimmer isn't very effective at that speed however, so when necessary I run it at 2,800 RPM which pulls 1,080 watts. The surface stays clean, but I can have items float in the pool without immediately heading for the skimmer.

    I have an app that monitors energy consumption in my house in real-time. The difference is impressive. No regrets.


    What app is that? Is it through your power company? I'd love to hear about that
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    Yes, it's provided by our local power company to customers with "smart meters". The meters themselves have some controversy for radio emissions, but the data they provide is useful. I initially had access to hourly data, but I later installed a "bridge" in my house that makes it real-time. I discuss more in this thread: I feel judged...
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    Re: Variable speed pumps? Are they as good as they claim?

    I made the change and I'm happy.

    I had a perfectly working single-speed 3/4 HP pump on my 12,000 gal IG pool but wanted the extra features of the VS pump, not just the energy savings. I can't imagine ever returning to a single or even 2-speed pump.

    I got the Hayward SP2303 1.65HP because I have a smaller pool with no fancy water features. I love the flexible onboard programming, the remote mount option for the display and if desired, the ability to run from a separate programmable panel. The option with a VSP to run nearly silent for long periods of time at low flow is great. The only complaint I have is that the pump always starts in a high RPM "priming mode" to be sure any air is purged before running at lower RPM settings. That is a minor issue compared to all the other benefits.

    I found the best deal at a online seller in Las Vegas plus I got a utility rebate of $100 so it was $561 delivered after rebate.
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    Re: Variable speed pumps? Are they as good as they claim?

    slickraft,

    That sounds like the same deal I got for my friend a couple of months ago. She is very happy with both the sheer silence of the pump and and monthly electrical savings ($75/month). I got the Tristar version SP3202VSP for my pool a month earlier and love it as well. It's a tad bit bigger and it uses 2" fittings but otherwise, it's virtually identical to yours. The savings have been astounding. I used to run my 2 year old Super Pump for 5 hrs/day to the tune of 320 kWh's a month. With my new VS pump, I run it for 18 hrs/day at 1000 rpm (57 watts) to the tune of 31 kWh's a month. We're in the high tier with our power company so every kWh saved lowers our bill by .40. So we're saving over $115 a month.
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    Re: Variable speed pumps? Are they as good as they claim?

    Quote Originally Posted by DeanP66 View Post
    So we're saving over $115 a month.
    That's almost 3 Speedstirs!
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    Re: Variable speed pumps? Are they as good as they claim?

    Forgot to mention that I also sold my old pump on craigslist for $130. I guess a speedstir may be in my future.
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