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    Jandy Automation with Alexa, SmartThings, and Vera

    A couple of years ago, I reverse-engineered Jandy's bus protocol for their controller (including AquaPure and ePump protocols) and developed my own device to control it using a custom web interface. I didn't really like the Jandy iAquaLink since it was cloud-based, hard to integrate into my setup, and the Android app is a bit clunky.

    I recently added SmartThings and Alexa to my Vera-based home automation and I wanted my device to be easier to integrate so I developed a Philips Hue bridge emulator for it so that now Alexa, ST, and Vera all see it as a Hue bridge and all of the Jandy controls appear as simple switches. This makes integration on all three one button simple without having to worry about installing extra plugins or other integration components.

    I do a fair amount of Android development in my professional life so I also created an Android application to provide even more control including a virtual OneTouch panel that looks and acts just like the real thing.


    I just wanted to share in case anyone was interested.

    Here are some Android screen shots:


    app1.jpg app2.jpg app3.jpg app4.jpg
    Here is what it looks like in SmartThings:
    st1.jpg st2.jpg

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    Re: Jandy Automation with Alexa, SmartThings, and Vera

    I have a Qolsys / zwave based home automation system and would LOVE to be able to control the pool using Alexa ...
    Im helping to Beta test the IQ Panel.
    Im in IT but Im not a programmer.
    Id love to give it a try
    Doug - Purchased 1/2016, 1995 house with 16x31 ft, ~23000 gallon Gunite pool w 11x7 spa, 3 Pentair VS pumps, a boost pump for polaris 3900 and a BaduŽ Jet super-sport swim jet pump, 1.5 hp blower, a CL460 Cartridge filter. TF-100 test kit. Aquapure 1400 SWG, iAqualink - Lots to learn. New Aquabright, Jandy LEDs, CMP LED Sheers.

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    Re: Jandy Automation with Alexa, SmartThings, and Vera

    I use Autelis and the Vera Plugin discussed here.

    What device did you develop to do this, BTW? I do recall some discussion about a USB adapter or something but this is much more than that as you need to get it first on your local network and then accessible via the internet.

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    Re: Jandy Automation with Alexa, SmartThings, and Vera

    Quote Originally Posted by Silver_2000 View Post
    I have a Qolsys / zwave based home automation system and would LOVE to be able to control the pool using Alexa ...
    Im helping to Beta test the IQ Panel.
    Im in IT but Im not a programmer.
    Id love to give it a try
    What kind of Jandy system do you have? I have only tried it on my RS6 with a OneTouch, AquaPure, and an ePump variable speed though it should work on any of the RS-series systems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post
    I use Autelis and the Vera Plugin discussed here.

    What device did you develop to do this, BTW? I do recall some discussion about a USB adapter or something but this is much more than that as you need to get it first on your local network and then accessible via the internet.
    I looked at the Autelis products but I wanted something with WiFi and easy Alex/SmartThings/Vera integration. The Autelis device is $300 and has just a web interface. I built my device for < $20.

    I saw the USB adapter but it requires a wired connection to a server and is far from plug and play for automation.

    Here's a picture of my device if anyone is curious. It's about the size of a deck of cards.

    device.jpg

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    Re: Jandy Automation with Alexa, SmartThings, and Vera

    I'm impressed. Did you buy a PCB and then program it or did you build it all from ground up? For me, I don't have a whole lot of experience building electronics unless you count the diode AM radio I built about 50 years ago.. I could buy all the parts but the time to put it together would be nothing compared to my steep learning curve to program it. I figured you extracted the serial signals off the Jandy RS435 and programed this device to emulate them

    Yeah, I had to use a wireless bridge to get my Autelis working wirelessly but the android app page is pretty good. That said, I don't use that much because I can do more with it using the Vera Plugin. What you've done is way beyond me.

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    Re: Jandy Automation with Alexa, SmartThings, and Vera

    I designed the PCB and had it made for cheap at OSH Park which is a company that batch processes a bunch of PCB orders together to amortize the setup costs. I think the board cost was about $6. I used an ESP8266 WiFi module which is a super cheap ($2-$3) device very popular with the DIY and maker crowds. The ESP8266 is connected to the Jandy bus via an RS485 transceiver and some surge suppression devices. There is also a small power supply on the PCB that converts the Jandy 12V bus power to 3.3V.

    To reverse engineer the Jandy protocol, I used the Jandy RS Serial Adapter to generate commands and this device to snoop the bus and record the data. My pool installer included an RS Serial Adapter with the pool build but I decided it would be more fun to do it myself with WiFi. I found the basic frame format from someone who figured out the All Button protocol and went from there. So far, I just know the parts of the protocol for the equipment I have which is the RS6 panel, the OneTouch, an AquaPure SWG, and an ePump variable speed. I don't know if other equipment like the All Button changes the bus behavior much or if there are panel firmware differences. I'd be willing to post the parts of the protocol I've figured out if anyone is interested.

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    Re: Jandy Automation with Alexa, SmartThings, and Vera

    Quote Originally Posted by sshumate View Post
    I designed the PCB and had it made for cheap at OSH Park which is a company that batch processes a bunch of PCB orders together to amortize the setup costs. I think the board cost was about $6. I used an ESP8266 WiFi module which is a super cheap ($2-$3) device very popular with the DIY and maker crowds. The ESP8266 is connected to the Jandy bus via an RS485 transceiver and some surge suppression devices. There is also a small power supply on the PCB that converts the Jandy 12V bus power to 3.3V.

    To reverse engineer the Jandy protocol, I used the Jandy RS Serial Adapter to generate commands and this device to snoop the bus and record the data. My pool installer included an RS Serial Adapter with the pool build but I decided it would be more fun to do it myself with WiFi. I found the basic frame format from someone who figured out the All Button protocol and went from there. So far, I just know the parts of the protocol for the equipment I have which is the RS6 panel, the OneTouch, an AquaPure SWG, and an ePump variable speed. I don't know if other equipment like the All Button changes the bus behavior much or if there are panel firmware differences. I'd be willing to post the parts of the protocol I've figured out if anyone is interested.
    Ill take one ... come up with a price ...
    Doug - Purchased 1/2016, 1995 house with 16x31 ft, ~23000 gallon Gunite pool w 11x7 spa, 3 Pentair VS pumps, a boost pump for polaris 3900 and a BaduŽ Jet super-sport swim jet pump, 1.5 hp blower, a CL460 Cartridge filter. TF-100 test kit. Aquapure 1400 SWG, iAqualink - Lots to learn. New Aquabright, Jandy LEDs, CMP LED Sheers.

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    Re: Jandy Automation with Alexa, SmartThings, and Vera

    Quote Originally Posted by sshumate View Post
    What kind of Jandy system do you have? I have only tried it on my RS6 with a OneTouch, AquaPure, and an ePump variable speed though it should work on any of the RS-series systems.

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    I looked at the Autelis products but I wanted something with WiFi and easy Alex/SmartThings/Vera integration. The Autelis device is $300 and has just a web interface. I built my device for < $20.

    I saw the USB adapter but it requires a wired connection to a server and is far from plug and play for automation.

    Here's a picture of my device if anyone is curious. It's about the size of a deck of cards.

    device.jpg
    Looks like I have an RS8, and a second panel with an additional 6 more solenoids in it ..
    and aquapure and 3 pentair pumps. All currently controlled by Iaqualink
    Doug - Purchased 1/2016, 1995 house with 16x31 ft, ~23000 gallon Gunite pool w 11x7 spa, 3 Pentair VS pumps, a boost pump for polaris 3900 and a BaduŽ Jet super-sport swim jet pump, 1.5 hp blower, a CL460 Cartridge filter. TF-100 test kit. Aquapure 1400 SWG, iAqualink - Lots to learn. New Aquabright, Jandy LEDs, CMP LED Sheers.

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    Re: Jandy Automation with Alexa, SmartThings, and Vera

    Awesome setup! I second Sammy2's comment: I'll take one.
    Please PM when you have a minute.

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    Re: Jandy Automation with Alexa, SmartThings, and Vera

    Hey can I jump in on this? or share some more info how to DIY

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    Re: Jandy Automation with Alexa, SmartThings, and Vera

    I'd like to help with this. I'm an Android developer and studied digital systems. I'll happily print the board and assemble myself.

    My pump is a VS Flow Pro but I'd expect the protocol to be the same.

    Thanks

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    Re: Jandy Automation with Alexa, SmartThings, and Vera

    Quote Originally Posted by sshumate View Post
    A couple of years ago, I reverse-engineered Jandy's bus protocol for their controller (including AquaPure and ePump protocols) and developed my own device to control it using a custom web interface. I didn't really like the Jandy iAquaLink since it was cloud-based, hard to integrate into my setup, and the Android app is a bit clunky.

    I recently added SmartThings and Alexa to my Vera-based home automation and I wanted my device to be easier to integrate so I developed a Philips Hue bridge emulator for it so that now Alexa, ST, and Vera all see it as a Hue bridge and all of the Jandy controls appear as simple switches. This makes integration on all three one button simple without having to worry about installing extra plugins or other integration components.

    I do a fair amount of Android development in my professional life so I also created an Android application to provide even more control including a virtual OneTouch panel that looks and acts just like the real thing.


    I just wanted to share in case anyone was interested.
    S,
    I have a Vera Lite, and Autelis PDA version, I just added a 5.0 chip to the 52 pin PPD when I updated to a VSP (RPM and Watts are now displayed on PDA and phone interface). I know that none of the 'layers' or (html commands?) are available in the PDA version that you get in the regular RS system, but just wanted to see if this was a limit of the chip or the programming that would make this information available in the data stream? I have an used Digi Port Server and would love to be able to get information/control into Vera!

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    Re: Jandy Automation with Alexa, SmartThings, and Vera

    I'd like to purchase one, let me know the details.


    Quote Originally Posted by sshumate View Post
    A couple of years ago, I reverse-engineered Jandy's bus protocol for their controller (including AquaPure and ePump protocols) and developed my own device to control it using a custom web interface. I didn't really like the Jandy iAquaLink since it was cloud-based, hard to integrate into my setup, and the Android app is a bit clunky.

    I recently added SmartThings and Alexa to my Vera-based home automation and I wanted my device to be easier to integrate so I developed a Philips Hue bridge emulator for it so that now Alexa, ST, and Vera all see it as a Hue bridge and all of the Jandy controls appear as simple switches. This makes integration on all three one button simple without having to worry about installing extra plugins or other integration components.

    I do a fair amount of Android development in my professional life so I also created an Android application to provide even more control including a virtual OneTouch panel that looks and acts just like the real thing.


    I just wanted to share in case anyone was interested.

    Here are some Android screen shots:


    app1.jpg app2.jpg app3.jpg app4.jpg
    Here is what it looks like in SmartThings:
    st1.jpg st2.jpg

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    Re: Jandy Automation with Alexa, SmartThings, and Vera

    Did anything come of this? I just came across this while trying to do some automation and this is just what I need. I am willing to print PCA, order parts, and assemble myself if details were provided. Or buy a solution. Please share your knowledge...

    I have an RS6
    Pool: 16,500 above-ground plaster pool with Pebble Tec. 7 years old
    Chlorinator: Hasa Liquidator, 8 Gallon using 12.5% bleach
    Filter: 60 sqft DE filter (pentair FNS plus 60 vertical grid DE filter)
    Test Kit: TF-100
    Options: Connected spa with MasterTemp heater, Pool Cleaner (pentair platinum legend)

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    Re: Jandy Automation with Alexa, SmartThings, and Vera

    Not the same solution as this, but I wrote some software that will do the above and a lot more. Just put it on a raspberry pi add a usb2rs485 adapter and you can control it from its web interface or any home automation system you want.
    https://github.com/sfeakes/aqualinkd

    $25 in parts is all you need.
    Pi zero w $10
    usb2rs485 $10
    cf card $5

    Then add time to set it all up, and configure your home automation, and your up to $500

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    Re: Jandy Automation with Alexa, SmartThings, and Vera

    In for the future when my iAqualink comes on line.

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    Re: Jandy Automation with Alexa, SmartThings, and Vera

    What is the latest with this project. I was just about to pull the trigger on the Aqualink RS to iAqualink kit. I have full ST implementation with Konnected.io SmartApp for wired alarm stuff.

    Thanks

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    Re: Jandy Automation with Alexa, SmartThings, and Vera

    I would be interested in this as well. I have an Alarm.com-based system and a new pool with iAqualink control, and I would love to have connectivity between the two.

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    Re: Jandy Automation with Alexa, SmartThings, and Vera

    Quote Originally Posted by sshumate View Post
    I designed the PCB and had it made for cheap at OSH Park which is a company that batch processes a bunch of PCB orders together to amortize the setup costs. I think the board cost was about $6. I used an ESP8266 WiFi module which is a super cheap ($2-$3) device very popular with the DIY and maker crowds. The ESP8266 is connected to the Jandy bus via an RS485 transceiver and some surge suppression devices. There is also a small power supply on the PCB that converts the Jandy 12V bus power to 3.3V.

    To reverse engineer the Jandy protocol, I used the Jandy RS Serial Adapter to generate commands and this device to snoop the bus and record the data. My pool installer included an RS Serial Adapter with the pool build but I decided it would be more fun to do it myself with WiFi. I found the basic frame format from someone who figured out the All Button protocol and went from there. So far, I just know the parts of the protocol for the equipment I have which is the RS6 panel, the OneTouch, an AquaPure SWG, and an ePump variable speed. I don't know if other equipment like the All Button changes the bus behavior much or if there are panel firmware differences. I'd be willing to post the parts of the protocol I've figured out if anyone is interested.

    Looks like great work. Can you share with us more details ? I'm very interested to try that.
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