Thinking of converting to salt and am trying to figure which size to get. I want Hayward because all other equipment is Hayward. My pool is roughly 10k gallons, not sure to get the 25k or the 40k gallon kit
Should I really get oversized cell? v. Hayward
- Thread starter Bigcarbs
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- May 23, 2015
- 24,381
- Pool Size
- 16000
- Surface
- Plaster
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Pentair Intellichlor IC-60
Yes. The total cost of ownership is lower when you go big. See here -
Economics of Saltwater Chlorine Generators
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I read that but my concern was if the lowest setting on the T-15 produced too much for my pool.
No automation, just the auto switch for solar
I would suggest getting the AquaPlus with the T-15 cell. You can control the pump, salt and other things.
- May 23, 2015
- 24,381
- Pool Size
- 16000
- Surface
- Plaster
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Pentair Intellichlor IC-60
The Hayward system let's you control in increments of 1%. That would be more than enough of a fine scale.
Also with an SWG pool, you typically need to run your pump longer to generate the necessary amount of FC. In a pool with an undersized SWG that can mean 12+ hours or more of run time. So using a larger cell will allow you to keep your pump run times down to a more cost effective level.
Also with an SWG pool, you typically need to run your pump longer to generate the necessary amount of FC. In a pool with an undersized SWG that can mean 12+ hours or more of run time. So using a larger cell will allow you to keep your pump run times down to a more cost effective level.
- Oct 18, 2009
- 3,635
- Pool Size
- 6000
- Surface
- Plaster
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Hayward Aqua Rite (T-15)
Bigcarbs, we have a t-15 and our pool is about 6K. No problem here just adjust the settings and find the sweet spot.
Studies show running a pool pump for 3-4 hrs is about all that is needed. For us with a SWG we run longer depending on FC demand and SWG size. Most pools loose around 2ppm of FC a day. A T-15 cell @ 100% makes 1.4lbs of FC a day so it takes 2.9hrs to make 2ppm of FC. A T-9 cell @ 100% makes .7lbs a day so it would take 5.8hrs to make 2ppm of FC for your pool. So get the T-15. If you need to run your pump longer you can decrease the cell generation percentage.
Since you have a lot going on, automation can really help. It makes sure that the vsp and salt system work together. You can automate other things as well (lights, valves, solar etc.). Consider everything you want to control and look into the aquaplus and prologic options to see what will do what you want.
I thought about that but I don't have a lot of other things so was kind of going against it
Mine seems to loose a bit more than that so I guess I'll go with the T-15
With a single speed pump, power to the pump and swg both come from the same switch. That way, the swg can't operate without the pump on. However, a variable speed pump has power all the time and is controlled by the onboard controller. The swg is also powered all the time. When the pump controller turns off the pump, the swg "should" turn off due to no flow. This works most of the time. However, the swg installation instructions warn that the power supply should be turned off when the pump turns off. This creates two safety interlocks to prevent the swg from running with no flow. If the swg runs with no flow, there could be a buildup of chlorine and hydrogen gas that could explode.
Most likely you will be fine with only one safety interlock.
Most likely you will be fine with only one safety interlock.
So what I'm looking at for the automation is Hayward Goldline PL-PLUS ProLogic 40,000-Gallon Electronic Pool Chlorinator. With this I essentially run power to that box and that will control everything from there? I will be able to remove the current timer/power box as well as the pentair solar controller box? Are the solar temp sensors generic to where I can plug them right into this Hayward unit from the pentair?
From what I gather I can get more control of the color on my Hayward LED light using this as well as turning on the power for my landscape lighting. I think this may be the answer. Also I'm pretty sure I read about ability to change pump speed with solar on vs off
From what I gather I can get more control of the color on my Hayward LED light using this as well as turning on the power for my landscape lighting. I think this may be the answer. Also I'm pretty sure I read about ability to change pump speed with solar on vs off
- Jun 12, 2011
- 3,761
- Pool Size
- 19500
- Surface
- Plaster
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Pureline Crystal Pure 60,000
I simply have my solar controller connected to the VS pump (both are Pentair) then a simple intermatic timer turns power to my SWG (Hayward) on and off. The pump's onboard timer/controller controls pump speeds and programs. The SWG timer is set to power the SWG during a time that I know the pump will be running. Any time heat is called for and available at the solar panels, the controller opens the valve and ramps up the pump speed. It all works fine with no automation system.
That sounds like an easier setup tbh. My solar controller is older unit and doesn't change pump speed so I currently just run it at 65% which is enough to get the water through the collectors. My current power box has an unused timer in there so I could use that to power a basic SWG.
- Jun 12, 2011
- 3,761
- Pool Size
- 19500
- Surface
- Plaster
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Pureline Crystal Pure 60,000
To work together the pump and solar controller need to communicate. That generally means the same brand. I don't know what's available in Hayward, but my Pentair SolarTouch control cost about $125, was a breeze to install and does everything I need. Allows me to run my SWG at 1400 rpm and when solar comes on it ramps speed to 2400. You can setup any speeds you need and only use enough to effectively handle each task. I have speeds set for AM cleaning, SWG chlorination, extra slow filtration and the solar controller is set for a seperate speed selected to support the heating.
I didn't see anything like that from Hayward but my pentair just has the temp knob, no communication with pump. I just run it when the sun is out and it's been working good.
The ProLogic should be able to do everything you need, including solar. Check with Hayward about specifics.
It looks like it will do all that I'm asking myself now if I really need all that or keep everything separate and manual. My equipment is pretty close to the pool so it's really no trouble to go and change settings or valves.
Ok. The cost should not be a big difference, but you need to do what you feel is best.
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