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    Suction side automatic pool vacs for IG pools

    I have a 16' x 32' IG vinyl liner pool. 3.5' shallow end and 8' deep end, standard design. For suction I have one skimmer and one main drain. I only have 1 return that is in the shallow end, paralleling the 16' sidewall.

    Does anyone have experience with the suction side kreepy krauly type pool vacs in an IG pool they can share? Does it do a good job? Can it be hooked into the main drain so I don't lose my skimmer action which cleans the surface of the water while the pump is running (currently 10hrs daily)?

    Any input would be greatly appreciated. These things are cheap enough between $2-350, and I definitely don't want to get into robotics. If these work as advertised, they have my interest. If not, I'll keep doing the manual thing

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    I have thepoolcleaner (www.thepoolcleaner.com) suction side and it does a great job. No real complaints other than having to manually put it in and take it out. This cleaner runs a lower suction than most so pumps as low as 3/4 HP are ok.
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    I also have a "The Pool Cleaner" suction model...It seems to work pretty well, though I've never an automatic cleaner before, so I have nothing to compare it to. It does what it's supposed to do. I typically put it in on a weekend morning and let it go about it's business for a few hours, then return to normal skimmer mode.

    I also have a 16x32 with one skimmer, one bottom drain and 2 returns...So, yes, you lose your skimmer during the time the cleaner is running, but the skimmer runs all other times when the pump is on (currently 8 hrs/day)
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    Thanks fellas. I'll check that one out.

    If it will vacuum the pool in 2 hours, well, that'd be something

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    With any suction type cleaner, I highly recommend using an In-Line leaf trap. This alleviates the debris clogging up the skimmer and pump baskets by trapping the debris in its own basket, or mesh bag. When it is full, it still allows water flow to the pump so it doesn't starve the pump. They have clear bodies so you can see when it needs to be emptied.
    Best investment I made.
    By the way, I have a Sta-Rite Great White cleaner, about 4 yrs old. Very large suction port so it sucks up very large objects. Although it did get stuck trying to suck in a large Cuban Anole that though it could swim.
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    Sean yours is the big brother of my Lil Shark. They do suck up a lot and I use a leaf canister as well. Worth every penny.
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    I used a kreepy krauler brand for 3-4 years worked ok in my 20x40 8'6" deep end. It got stuck on ladder alot. The tubing needed replacing after a couple of summers it started collapsing. I had to do a lot of modifications to get the suction just right not too strong not too weak it was very finicky. I ran it to return with valve at return to adjust flow. Then summer 3-4 it wasn't working as well as the first 2 years. Bought a robot at local pool store for $1300.00. The dirty f@%!*+s told me it would do an excellent job. Have seen it on ebay since for maybe $8-900.00 Dolphin by Smartpool. Three years ago it quit after 2nd day had to threaten lawsuit to get it fixed. Took months got it back for beginning of last year. Remote didn't work more threatening phone calls. So we used it maybe 4 weeks last summer. Put it in 2 weeks ago sometimes works great sometimes just goes back and forth in same area for 8 hrs. So the reason for this long diatribe is if there is a suction side that works better than kreepy and it sounds like poolsean has one buy it. If you have to replace it every 4 years its worth it. Maybe there is a better robot than smartpools I don't know but I have always said if it wasn't for bad luck I would have no luck. But "woot" I am getting my Autopilot tomorrow and am excited about that and I hope it works as good as many on this site have experienced

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poolsean
    With any suction type cleaner, I highly recommend using an In-Line leaf trap. This alleviates the debris clogging up the skimmer and pump baskets by trapping the debris in its own basket, or mesh bag. When it is full, it still allows water flow to the pump so it doesn't starve the pump. They have clear bodies so you can see when it needs to be emptied.
    Best investment I made.
    I would second that. I have one as well and it is much easier to clean than the pump basket.
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    For those with the poolcleaner:

    Do you have the 2x or 4x model?
    How large is your pool?
    How long does it take to clean your pool?
    Where did you buy it and if I can ask what did it cost?

    Thanks

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    The suction side only comes in 2x which is what I have. My pool is a freeform with max dimensions of 18x36.

    Cleaning time is difficult since I don't stay around to watch it but I would say it catches most stuff in a few hours (2-4?). I ususally leave it in the pool all the time and just take it out when we swim.

    I got mine a couple of years ago through a local store so I am not sure price would help you much. Plus I can't remember. 8)
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    Mark, perhaps the 4x suction side is new since you bought yours?

    http://www.thepoolcleaner.com/4xpoolcleaner.html

    They say it's for larger pools. I have emailed them asking for a brochure and list of online retailers, and if the 2x or 4x is best for my pool. I imagine the 2x is plenty.

    Thanks for the info

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    I found mine on Ebay (only used 1 day, still under full warranty) for about $250 shipped...I had to add 2 extra lengths of hose ($10 each) and a set of skirts with rollers ($17)

    I'll also guess about 2-4 hours

    mine is a 16x32 vinyl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rangeball
    Mark, perhaps the 4x suction side is new since you bought yours?

    http://www.thepoolcleaner.com/4xpoolcleaner.html

    They say it's for larger pools. I have emailed them asking for a brochure and list of online retailers, and if the 2x or 4x is best for my pool. I imagine the 2x is plenty.

    Thanks for the info
    Yes, I guess it is. I have a suction port in the middle of my pool so I do not need as much hose length than if I used the skimmer. You need to make sure you have enough with some to spare. Here is what they say about the 2x and 4x.

    An easy way to determine if you need a 2 Wheel Suction PoolCleaner or a 4 Wheel Suction PoolCleaner is to imagine a 40 ft long pool. If the suction port or skimmer is half way (most newer pools) approx 20 ft from one end, then the 2 Wheel Model will be sufficient.
    If however the suction port is all the way at one end AND you have a very deepend the 4 Wheel PoolCleaner would be better suited for your pool. The best way to describe it is that the 4 Wheel model can drag more hose.
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    Thanks. I read that last night, and figured the 2x would be the one for me but thought I'd ask to make sure.

    Some of the info I was reading on IG suction cleaners was you need to have a "flush" main drain. My main drain has a ring that sticks up maybe 1/4"-1/2" above the pool floor. Is this flush enough? Will it be a problem with the 2x?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rangeball
    Thanks. I read that last night, and figured the 2x would be the one for me but thought I'd ask to make sure.

    Some of the info I was reading on IG suction cleaners was you need to have a "flush" main drain. My main drain has a ring that sticks up maybe 1/4"-1/2" above the pool floor. Is this flush enough? Will it be a problem with the 2x?
    Mine sticks up about that much but the edges are sloped so the cleaner has no trouble going right over it. I think you will be pretty happy with the cleaner. One thing I was surpised at was how far up the walls that it climb. Most of time it makes it to the surface.
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    Wow. I watched the video on their site, and it didn't look like it climbed that high.

    That'd be something

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    Well I can second the Kreepy Krauly is a piece of **** opinion. Replaced mine with a Polaris 360. I'll never have another suction side cleaner again. It cleans better, faster, and is easier to connect and disconnect.

    Issues with suction side cleaners (some may be Kreepy specific):
    1) Must have a leaf canister (unless you like losing pressure and cleaning the pump basket)
    2) Air leaks - things like the sectional hoses that the Kreepy use are a source of air leaks as it ages.
    3) Gets stuck easily and stays there until manually moved.
    4) Have to adjust the suction so it runs at the proper rate.
    5) Can run all day and not cover the entire pool (its random)
    6) Hose must be disassembled and stored flat.
    7) Getting air out of lines before hooking up.
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    Sta-Rite advice needed

    I've been looking at the Sta-Rite Great White and PoolShark cleaners. I don't see much difference in either price or features, or am i missing something? Any words of advice on these or reviews?

    My pool is an in-ground vinyl lined 18X36, 3.5-4.5 foot deep.

    Thanks
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