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    Northeast - Freeze Protection for Niche-less Lights?

    Ah, that explains it!
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    Northeast - Freeze Protection for Niche-less Lights?

    Makes sense, thanks. I keep waiting for a cold snowy winter, but lately they seem to be warm and rainy!
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    Northeast - Freeze Protection for Niche-less Lights?

    I haven't yet bought a winter cover, or installed the auto cover. For this winter it will either be the auto cover or a tarp, as the pavers won't be installed until next year. So that's a good thought, that a solid cover would allow the water level to stay higher. Does the cover pump work well...
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    Northeast - Freeze Protection for Niche-less Lights?

    Safe from ice, anyway. I pulled one cord through the conduit, and the cord seems very tough and durable. I also pulled it back out, but that's another story (the shaft on the lights does not fit in a 1.5" schedule 40 PVC male thread adapter (!) I have to drill out the adapter, or re-plumb...
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    Northeast - Freeze Protection for Niche-less Lights?

    Good point though, about the cover letting wind through. So it seems like leaving the lights in and keeping the water level significantly higher than the lights is a decent strategy, and the super-safe idea would be to pull out the lights and cords, and blow out and plug the conduits.
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    Northeast - Freeze Protection for Niche-less Lights?

    Hey Newdude, thanks for that description - sounds like it can get violent, though prolly a cover would calm things down somewhat.
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    Northeast - Freeze Protection for Niche-less Lights?

    Thanks wireform. During a cold winter in ME with little snow cover, frost in the ground can go down 48" or so, which is code here for frost protection. How deep does ice in a pool typically get in the Northeast? And a little follow up: I spoke with two Florida Sunseekers reps again today...
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    20x40 Vinyl IG and Poolhouse, Maine Owner Build

    Hey thanks for checking in and the thorough heating info - very helpful. And sounds like you have some excellent upgrades going on. We actually just got water yesterday (!), and I plan to post pix and commentary when I get a breather. Have been so busy with building that I haven't given much...
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    Northeast - Freeze Protection for Niche-less Lights?

    Poolstored, interesting and helpful that your instructions say to keep the lights in the pool. Good to know.
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    Northeast - Freeze Protection for Niche-less Lights?

    That's a great point, that the wire - which is a good 1/2" thick and feels like soft rubber - can absorb the expansion of the ice (assuming some water somehow gets into the conduit). What about ice movement in the pool damaging the light fixture itself?
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    Northeast - Freeze Protection for Niche-less Lights?

    My assumptions are: Water in a conduit during winter can freeze and crack the conduit. A niche-less light has a fairly low profile, but unless the water level is maintained below the light, there's a good chance that movement of the ice up and down or side to side will damage it, potentially...
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    Northeast - Freeze Protection for Niche-less Lights?

    Agreed. Great, thanks for passing this along.
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    Northeast - Freeze Protection for Niche-less Lights?

    I did call them, and they tried to help, but I didn't get the sense the individual was familiar with the issue. I could try again and try to locate someone who is aware of this.
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    Northeast - Freeze Protection for Niche-less Lights?

    Thanks. I have read that article and many related posts, but have not come across specifically how to winterize niche-less lights.
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    Northeast - Freeze Protection for Niche-less Lights?

    Just got water yesterday actually, so I'm a rookie. I'd have to drain deep enough so that rain and snow wouldn't bring the water level up to the lights, right? And/or pump out water periodically? And the pool is 20x40, so that's quite a bit of water, probably a tanker or so. Do people do...
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    Northeast - Freeze Protection for Niche-less Lights?

    Hi everyone, I haven't been able to find info on cold climate winter protection for niche-less lights. I've searched here on TFP and contacted manufacturers. Does anyone have experience/advice? The lights are Florida Sunseekers Pool Tone, and are about 15" below the waterline. Frost here can...
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    20x40 Vinyl IG and Poolhouse, Maine Owner Build

    Spent six hours yesterday scrounging for pipe, conduit and fittings. The scarcity - not to mention prices - is pretty amazing. One supplier said fittings have been going up 10% per month! Think I got it all though, which is lucky. Thanks for the additional info Newdude, very helpful. A...
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    20x40 Vinyl IG and Poolhouse, Maine Owner Build

    And remind me, did you use a pool cover? I'm in Southern ME, so I wouldn't think too much cooler than you.
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    20x40 Vinyl IG and Poolhouse, Maine Owner Build

    Yeah, that's actually a really good way to think about it.
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    20x40 Vinyl IG and Poolhouse, Maine Owner Build

    There's no easy way out, is there? You wanna play, you gots to pay! Will you own the tank? Propane is about 50 cents per gallon cheaper here that way.
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    20x40 Vinyl IG and Poolhouse, Maine Owner Build

    Thanks Wireform. Newdude, good point that downsizing the electrical service could help offset the propane installation. I think the pain will be felt in the annual cost. My propane dealer said people run their heater one season, see the bill, then never use it again!
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    20x40 Vinyl IG and Poolhouse, Maine Owner Build

    Wow, congrats on your new house and honkin' upcoming pool! And thanks Newdude and Wireform for the real world experience. Yeah, I've gone back and forth (and back and forth, and back and forth...) about the heat. We don't have natural gas, only propane, which would cost $2500 extra to run...
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    20x40 Vinyl IG and Poolhouse, Maine Owner Build

    Why thank you! Hopefully I won't give you a train-wreck to gawk at!! But definitely thanks for the help, past and future!
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    20x40 Vinyl IG and Poolhouse, Maine Owner Build

    Hello, Have been “data-mining” here for a while, and would not be doing an owner-build without the great info. I’ve cleared the pool area of trees, put in an access road, and am waiting for permits. I think all design decisions have been based on what I’ve read on TFP, but more eyes would be...
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    Wood Fired Heater - Please Kick the Tires

    Thanks for the replies and link. I did some more snooping and apparently 304 stainless can get pitting/corrosion with chloride/salt at 100 ppm. 316 stainless has molybdenum, which helps it resist salt up to 2000 ppm. But I couldn't find anything about how each alloy behaved in real life...