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  1. Leebo

    Will the Industry Ever Change CYA/FC Parameters?

    Over the last 10 years or so I’ve actually watched a change occur to the industry. It’s been slow, but it’s occurring. It wasn’t pushed by politics or by major changes, but by pool owners noticing things weren’t working. When I joined years ago 8% bleach was cheap BUT 12% or 10% liquid chlorine...
  2. Leebo

    Will the Industry Ever Change CYA/FC Parameters?

    It’s a “one size fits all” set of guidelines. In honesty, I don’t there will ever be major steps towards the EPA or CDC to recognize the ratio. It’s just not really on their agenda of things to worry about. The best hope is to continue to make a strong push for private pool owners and let the...
  3. Leebo

    Youtube pool guys and bad information

    So you mean TFP has been doing it all wrong! All of our videos have been like 2 or 3 minutes. ??‍♂️ Except for the one on PoolMath......which was just some idiot rambling on and on and on. I hate that guy!!!
  4. Leebo

    Article about pool chlorination and Coronavirus...

    https://www.troublefreepool.com/wiki/index.php?title=Swimming_Pools_and_COVID-19_Coronavirus Have another read, wrote by a certain @JoyfulNoise ?
  5. Leebo

    Phosphates

    Let’s start simple as I call rubbish advice from the store.... what’s your test results including your phosphate level? While phosphate scale is a real thing, I don’t that’s what occurred. The cloudy water will clear on its own, do not use the clarifier as it will gunk up your filter. Let it...
  6. Leebo

    Phosphates.....are they worth removing??

    I ordered the Taylor kit on Amazon but I’d also give Rebecca a call as maybe she’d order one special. Can’t hurt to ask. I personally slowly pour the phosphate remover in front of the return and follow by a good brushing. I only once had any cloudy water which cleared up overnight.
  7. Leebo

    Help - liner looks faded

    Calcium scale can form on vinyl surfaces, but good luck making that happen. Your CH levels and pH levels have to be WAY off the chart for it to actually occur. I wouldn’t even stress about that......... Can you post a photo of the fading?
  8. Leebo

    Pool calculator in another language

    If I may ask, is your location correct? It’s rare for a user to be from Iran. Just talked to Jon, turns out you maybe able to help with the hardest part, translation. He said some of the groundwork for other languages is in place but we need to translate the phrases. Once we start back up on...
  9. Leebo

    Pool calculator in another language

    Not an odd question at all, in fact we’ve actually talked about it in the past. It’s “do-able” however I’m not sure if the work wouldn’t be better served focusing on other updates. Next time I talk to the developer of the App I’ll ask him about work involved as I’m simply not sure.
  10. Leebo

    Phosphates.....are they worth removing??

    This is actually one thing that keeps irking myself as well. Often I see users enter TFP saying they went to the local pool store with a green pool and were told they must remove phosphates to clear their pool. This is hogwash. If anybody does wish to parrot info from this thread to newbs with a...
  11. Leebo

    Phosphates.....are they worth removing??

    If I may ask @Saturn94, what’s your current phosphate level? It sounds like you’ve got a test on hand and have tested in the past so I’d be interested in your feedback.
  12. Leebo

    Phosphates.....are they worth removing??

    This was posted in another thread but I personally feel it would be appropriate to discuss here. Please keep in mind I work in logistics, NOT in chemistry. I may totally be incorrect on what I'm about to say. I have done some research on this and unfortunately haven't found any articles that...
  13. Leebo

    Phosphates.....are they worth removing??

    One could in theory reverse this mindset. One could take a pool that's low in phosphates and algae free and maintain it for a period of time measuring the chlorine usage. As you've mentioned, there are thousands of pools that fall into this category. You then could add phosphates into the...
  14. Leebo

    Phosphates.....are they worth removing??

    Without a doubt! In fact, I’d like to repeat what you just said, There’s clearly times when attempting to keep up with phosphates are gonna cost more than trying to just live with them. There’s also so many times when stores recommend them that the chemical simply won’t work. The amount of...
  15. Leebo

    Phosphates.....are they worth removing??

    As I started this thread a few years ago I did so knowing full well a personal test was in order. I had a few questions in my head that I was interested in seeing for myself and the best way I personally learn is by doing. In the following I hope to share some of what I personally have learned...
  16. Leebo

    CSI vs LSI

    @poolnoobgrandma I’d like to instead bounce you to this in depth discussion, https://www.troublefreepool.com/threads/langelier-and-calcite-saturation-indices-lsi-and-csi.4507/ I hope you enjoy!
  17. Leebo

    How I stopped using Jack's Magic - The Pink Stuff

    Ive went a step further. We purchased 2 250 gallon chemical tanks that we’ve “hid” behind the pools fence. Normally we’ll fill them with either overflow pool water or rainwater from a pool house we’ve got and simply add a splash of chlorine every so often to them. This year however with all the...
  18. Leebo

    Kudos Admins!

    Glad you enjoyed the videos! In all fairness, the mindset they have isn’t horrid, depending on your desired path. The mindset they take is to use multiple chemicals such as algaecides, copper, and phosphate removers to reduce the possibility as much as possible of getting algae. Issue is, none...
  19. Leebo

    Not All Color Pigments are Good for Pools

    Kim, great writeup! So is it commonly known which colors are made from organic dyes verses inorganic or is it something that the builder will look at you clueless when you ask?
  20. Leebo

    Chemical Free Alternative? Is it to Good to be True?

    I tried a quick search for a SDS and didn’t find one, but my gut screams Jim is right that it’s a metal based setup. They likely combine Copper (Cu) and Zink (Zn) to fight of algae. In the end it does kill algae ALTHOUGH at a very slow speed. Much slower than algae can reproduce and MUCH slower...
  21. Leebo

    Phosphates Debate

    So I’ll give ya the short answer, nope. Basically phosphate removers are a metal that gets added to the pool and reacts with phosphates in the water. The metal then either gets vacuumed to waste or caught in the filter. Part of my reasoning for me testing was to see how phosphates work in...
  22. Leebo

    Phosphates Debate

    How about a video instead...... EjMqvZD8dFQ Full faith in advertising however, my experience was NOWHERE close to this video. I did have some clouding but nowhere even close to what’s shown here. A warning needs to be added here IMHO. Stay away from the cheap pool store rubbish. Some of them...
  23. Leebo

    Phosphates Debate

    At the end of last year I tested using the K-1106 kit and had a result of approximately 1500ppb. Knowing we will need a SLAM in the spring (We reuse any rain or melted snow) I left the phosphates high and moved on. This year as I suspected I opened to a green pool in which I Slammed in early...
  24. Leebo

    Phosphates Debate

    I think it’s safe to say we can all agree that chlorine has a lot to deal with when addressing issues in a pool. I also think we can all agree that over the last ten years the FC/CYA ratio has proven itself as being more than capable of handling these issues. But can phosphate removers be of...
  25. Leebo

    Phosphates Debate

    I can only speak for the Taylor K-1106 Test Kit here as that’s what I’ve used. The test itself is a color matching test that takes several minutes to preform. I say this as you mention the pool techs playing on their phones while performing the test. With the length of time needed to preform the...
  26. Leebo

    Phosphates Debate

    I'd like to openly thank you for your comments, however you're attempting to solve problems with the wrong chemical. Using a phosphate remover to clear a pool is simply going to cause you to run in circles and not fully address the problem. You will not be able to accurately test for a proper...
  27. Leebo

    Phosphates Debate

    First and foremost, Welcome to TFP!!!!!!!! Before diving into your question I’d like to ask a question of yourself. What is your main goal when reducing phosphates??
  28. Leebo

    Using downspouts to fill swimming pool?

    We have two 250gallon tanks behind the pool we harvest water into each year. As mentioned above keep an eye on the FC level as algae will want to grow. Add some bleach and mix every now and then to help.
  29. Leebo

    Chrolrine with Ozone

    Greg, I like you!!! Awesome job pulling all those details from this mess. You nailed it on the head IMHO. As Saturn mentioned raising your CYA level will help with your chlorine loss. With such a low CYa level it doesn’t shock me to see such a large daily drop. Additionally I’d shop around for...
  30. Leebo

    Chrolrine with Ozone

    Greg, I wish to apologize for allowing focus to be removed from you in this thread. Somehow or another things went allow over the place and multiple discussions started to occur. If you’re gaining anything from these side discussions I give you credit as my attention span turned off after about...