Pool Heater / Heat Exchanger bad???

RookWDW

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May 20, 2021
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Hey group. Hoping someone can check the advise I got from the pool company.

We have an inground pool with a pool heater. The heater was making a squealing sound so I called out the pool maintenance company. They showed me that the pump was very hot to the touch and they opened up the heat exchanger which had a bunch of flakes of rust / delamination / scale, whatever. His comment was the exchanger needs to be replaced as it is deteriorating and this flaking is reducing the water flow, and the squealing is from the water boiling because of the reduced water flow, and the hot pump is likely due to the extra resistance from the flaking ... He cleaned it out with a vacuum and blower, fired it up and no squealing. That all makes sense, but I'd like you to help me verify if I should be thinking about anything else.

A few facts: We bought the house with the pool in Oct 2020. Pool has a heater that was installed in 2016. We have well water, with some iron in the water and I've had a heck of a time dealing with the iron (much easier this year than the past two). We added a SWG, backflow valve, new plumbing two years ago. Prior owner had an inline chorine puck system (with no backflow valve). Prior owner did a Darn job taking care of the pool (and pretty much anything else in the house). I've noticed some flakes entering the pool from the return jets near the steps since we moved here. Sometimes worse than others. I could not figure out what that was, but suspected the heater. My water chemistry has been from decent, to very good since I have owned it except for dealing with Iron. I use metal magic to keep the iron maintained, and I have used ascorbic acid treatment this spring before adding chlorine. Prior owner was using some pool store chemical to deal with iron that I have no idea what it was. Also ... we do NOT have a bypass system setup to bypass the heater, but that will be installed when we do the exchanger. I run the pump 24/7 but I'm considering putting in a timer to shut it down a few hours at night.

I'm not sure what else you might need to know. Does this all sound right? Any thoughts or comments or things I should be doing or looking into while replacing the exchanger?
 
What model heater do you have?

Post pics of your heater and the burner area.

At 7 years old you should replace the heater and start fresh with a new heater and warranty. The cost of replacing the heat exchanger will probably be 50% of the cost of a new heater.
 
According to the receipts the prior owner left me, its a Rheem 266 w/Cupro Nickel Exchanger. $2500 installed in 2016. I didn't get a picture of it opened up.
EDIT: although the pool guy said it was copper, so I don't really know about the exchanger. That could have been an invoice / estimate and the prior owner switch to copper at install.
 
Update: Estimate to replace heat exchanger: $1650 plus $392 labor. $2180 total with a bypass valve install. Versus $3554 for a completely new heater.

OR... $1200 for the exchanger online and I'd have to figure out how to install it myself?
 
Update: Estimate to replace heat exchanger: $1650 plus $392 labor. $2180 total with a bypass valve install. Versus $3554 for a completely new heater.

OR... $1200 for the exchanger online and I'd have to figure out how to install it myself?

My personal rule is if repair costs over 50% of new then buy new ane dtart over with a warranty.
 
Do you have any automation or pool controls?

Gas heaters are a commodity. They are all basically the same.

Look at the Raypak/Rheem Avia heater. I have heard good things about it and it has remote features if you don’t have automation.

 
Do you have any automation or pool controls?

Gas heaters are a commodity. They are all basically the same.

Look at the Raypak/Rheem Avia heater. I have heard good things about it and it has remote features if you don’t have automation.

Thanks. We don't have any automation whatsoever. I don't even have a timer (but I'm working on that). I'm not sure I need to be able to change the temp on my phone though. I can just walk five feet and do it.

What happens when a heat exchanger fails? Does it burst and water goes everywhere? Does it run a risk of fire since the gas is going? Since they clean it, it's working fine. But eventually (maybe soonish) it will get clogged again. I'm wondering if I can wait until next spring to replace it?
 
What happens when a heat exchanger fails? Does it burst and water goes everywhere? Does it run a risk of fire since the gas is going? Since they clean it, it's working fine. But eventually (maybe soonish) it will get clogged again. I'm wondering if I can wait until next spring to replace it?

I don't think you really understand the condition of your heat exchanger and I think your pool guy was blowing some smoke up your you know what.

A heat exchanger can fail for three reasons:

  • It can get leaks due to low pH for an extended amount of time. These are pinhole leaks that can put out the fire or cause water to boil in the heater.
  • It can get erosion from too high water flow which can also cause pin hole leaks
  • Or the heat exchanger tubes can scale up due to bad water chemistry. Scale can be removed from a heat exchanger. See the video below.
If your heat exchanger is not leaking then it should be good.

I am not sure exactly what model heater you have and what style heat exchanger you have. Some pics would help.

 

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I don't think you really understand the condition of your heat exchanger and I think your pool guy was blowing some smoke up your you know what.

A heat exchanger can fail for three reasons:

  • It can get leaks due to low pH for an extended amount of time. These are pinhole leaks that can put out the fire or cause water to boil in the heater.
  • It can get erosion from too high water flow which can also cause pin hole leaks
  • Or the heat exchanger tubes can scale up due to bad water chemistry. Scale can be removed from a heat exchanger. See the video below.
If your heat exchanger is not leaking then it should be good.

I am not sure exactly what model heater you have and what style heat exchanger you have. Some pics would help.

Thanks for that.

I'll dig into it tomorrow and take pictures. However, this thread has similar pics, except the flaking on my (which was the same tubes being what I believe are the outflow tubes) were dark brown / metallic looking. Not even slightly white. They feel like flakes of rust, and look like flakes of rust. But, they had the same issues this thread had. BTW, I don't think these guys are blowing smoke up my rear, but I would not be surprised if they just didn't know what they are talking about. Most of these kids work there a few years and leave.

 
That thread shows a typical scaled heat exchanger.

There should be nothing in the water flow of a heater that will rust.
 
I'll have to wait to open it up until tomorrow. It's high of 40 with rain/snow today. I don't want to break something and risk freezing.

So, when an exchanger goes bad it just starts leaking? No big blow outs or risks of anything worse?
 
.So, when an exchanger goes bad it just starts leaking? No big blow outs or risks of anything worse?

Nope. No pressure in the heat exchanger to blow anything out.

A heat exchanger leak can often go on for a while undetected. The heater boils the leaking water away and you never see the leaks. Eventually the leaks get big enough where it drown the fire and the heater shuts down. Or the heater starts making strange noises.
 
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