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Pentair Intellichlor IC-40
Hello all. I have 5 g color pool light, 5g spa light, 300 watt transformer for 2 laminars, 300 watt transformer for bubblers. My question is can I get power by using a jumper between all the relays from the same 15 amp breaker in the IntelliCenter?

Also I want to run a 3rd pump for the water features (intelliflo) can I connect that to the same breaker as the other intelliflo? If not what are my options? It seems I am out of space for breakers.

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jbrees said:
Hello all. I have 5 g color pool light, 5g spa light, 300 watt transformer for 2 laminars, 300 watt transformer for bubblers. My question is can I get power by using a jumper between all the relays from the same 15 amp breaker in the IntelliCenter?
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Yes you can power two 300W transformers from one 15A breaker.
jbrees said:
Also I want to run a 3rd pump for the water features (intelliflo) can I connect that to the same breaker as the other intelliflo? If not what are my options? It seems I am out of space for breakers.
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Maybe.

What specific model number devices are on each of your three 20A 240V breakers?
 
ajw22 said:
Yes you can power two 300W transformers from one 15A breaker.


Maybe.

What specific model number devices are on each of your three 20A 240V breakers?
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Thank you for the info. The top 20amp has a Pentair intelliflo vsf (pic attached) and an ic40. The lower 20amp breaker has the Purex triton whisperflo (picture attached) for the spa jet pump.
 

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jbrees said:
Thank you for the info. The top 20amp has a Pentair intelliflo vsf (pic attached) and an ic40. The lower 20amp breaker has the Purex triton whisperflo (picture attached) for the spa jet pump.
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That accounts for two of the 240V breakers. What does the other one power?
 
ajw22 said:
That accounts for two of the 240V breakers. What does the other one power?
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ajw22 said:
That accounts for two of the 240V breakers. What does the other one power?
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I mixed that up the top 20 amp is the intelliflo. Middle is 15 amp is the whisper flo pump for spa jets bottom is 20amp blower (pic attached).
 

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Put the water features pump on the 20A breaker with the blower.
 
Your pump CBs should be GFCI and it looks like they are not.
 
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Put the water features pump on the 20A breaker with the blower.
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Thank you so much I will add it to there. Just out of curiosity with the blower rated at ~12 amp and the pump at 11.8 amps will I be popping the breaker or does the pump run at much lower then it’s max?

Also with 50 amp total at the panel will it still be ok with the 3 pumps, heather, laminar lights, bubbler lights, IntelliCenter, and a couple of landscape transformers? I don’t picture us turning everything on at the same time.
 
jbrees said:
Thank you so much I will add it to there. Just out of curiosity with the blower rated at ~12 amp and the pump at 11.8 amps will I be popping the breaker or does the pump run at much lower then it’s max?
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What blower do you have that pulls 12 amps @ 240V? A blower should pull about 5 amps max.

What speed will by be running your Intelliflo water features pump? Lower speed will pull less amps.

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Also with 50 amp total at the panel will it still be ok with the 3 pumps, heather, laminar lights, bubbler lights, IntelliCenter, and a couple of landscape transformers? I don’t picture us turning everything on at the same time.
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Depends on the speeds you are running your VS pumps.
 
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What blower do you have that pulls 12 amps @ 240V? A blower should pull about 5 amps max.

What speed will by be running your Intelliflo water features pump? Lower speed will pull less amps.



Depends on the speeds you are running your VS pumps.
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The blower is polaris 1-480-02 but now I see it does 5.8amp. The main pump usually runs about 2200 rpm and the features pump we have not put in but it will be running 2 laminars (10gpm each) 2 bubblers 50gpm each) but I would not think I would be running them that high.
 

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jbrees said:
The main pump usually runs about 2200 rpm
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2200 RPM should be pulling around 4 amps.

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You should be worrying more that your pump CBs and gas heater are not GFCI.
 
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You should be worrying more that your pump CBs and gas heater are not GFCI.
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I was wondering about that. we didnt do the installation on those and the pool service guy said that most pumps are not on a GFCI. Should I change all of those breakers out for GFCI and if so I think I read in one of Jims post to use Pentair ones is that correct? Will that affect my IC40? I thought I read somewhere to not use the IC40 on GFCI with pump but I could be making that up.
 
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I was wondering about that. we didnt do the installation on those and the pool service guy said that most pumps are not on a GFCI.
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I doubt who did the IntelliCenter installation was a licensed electrician.

NEC requires pool pumps and gas heaters to be on GFCI CBs.

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Should I change all of those breakers out for GFCI
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For maximum safety, yes.

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and if so I think I read in one of Jims post to use Pentair ones is that correct?
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Electrical GFCI - Further Reading

www.troublefreepool.com www.troublefreepool.com

Harmonics from the variable frequency drive can cause false GFCI trips. Pentair PA220GF is a 20A 240V GFCI breaker that GFCI trips at 6ma. The PA220GF is supposed to be less sensitive to false GCFI trips from VS pumps.

The PA220GF is a relabeled Siemens CB (QF220AP). Siemens added additional shielding to help resist false trips. Some say Pentair may have additional quality control and selects breakers less susceptible to false GFCI trips.

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Will that affect my IC40? I thought I read somewhere to not use the IC40 on GFCI with pump but I could be making that up.
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None.
 
ajw22 said:
I doubt who did the IntelliCenter installation was a licensed electrician.

NEC requires pool pumps and gas heaters to be on GFCI CBs.



For maximum safety, yes.



Electrical GFCI - Further Reading

www.troublefreepool.com www.troublefreepool.com

Harmonics from the variable frequency drive can cause false GFCI trips. Pentair PA220GF is a 20A 240V GFCI breaker that GFCI trips at 6ma. The PA220GF is supposed to be less sensitive to false GCFI trips from VS pumps.

The PA220GF is a relabeled Siemens CB (QF220AP). Siemens added additional shielding to help resist false trips. Some say Pentair may have additional quality control and selects breakers less susceptible to false GFCI trips.



None.
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Thanks again for everything. I have the pump and will connect it up. I also ordered the Pentair gfci breakers for each pump. Again I really appreciate it.
 
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One more question. I got the Pentair breakers. Does the neutral wire from the swg go to the breaker directly (running transformer in 120v) and the pigtail go to the bus bar. But it looks like they have the heater connected to the 2nd half of the load side on the same relay. So for the main pump relay it currently has intelliflo on the 220v swg on load 1 120v and heater on load 2 120v. in relay 1 the black wire is the swg and the orange wire is the heater. I attached a picture
 

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I would have wired the SWG and heater to run on 240V off of the Filter/Pump relay. That way you do not have unbalanced loads on the breaker.

With 120V from one leg of the 240V circuit the neutrals for both the SWG Power Center and the heater need to go to the GFCI CB. Since you should not put two wires into the CB you should connect the two neutrals to a pigtail using a wirenut and connect the pigtail to the GFCI CB neutral.

The GFCI CB neutral pigtail connects to the neutral bar.
 
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ajw22 said:
I would have wired the SWG and heater to run on 240V off of the Filter/Pump relay. That way you do not have unbalanced loads on the breaker.

With 120V from one leg of the 240V circuit the neutrals for both the SWG Power Center and the heater need to go to the GFCI CB. Since you should not put two wires into the CB you should connect the two neutrals to a pigtail using a wirenut and connect the pigtail to the GFCI CB neutral.

The GFCI CB neutral pigtail connects to the neutral bar.
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est way would be to just change the swg and heater wiring to 240v and run them both to the load side of the filter/pump relay then wire the 240 breaker and Pentair intelliflo to the line side?
 
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est way would be to just change the swg and heater wiring to 240v and run them both to the load side of the filter/pump relay then wire the 240 breaker and Pentair intelliflo to the line side?
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That is what I would do.
 

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