For those who have converted...how bad does the accumulation of goo / muck, etc. get on the bottom of the pool?

anthonypool89

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I want to do this next spring when opening, but just received advice from a pool store guy who did this with his above ground pool indicating I should NOT convert back to chlorine unless draining / refilling because he indicates it was a mess with like 4-6 inches of gunk that wound up on the bottom of the pool. I don't plan on draining before starting the conversion process - which will likely be in May. Any thoughts? I've followed a few conversion threads here but don't recall anyone referring to it becoming any sort of disaster in terms of accumulated gunk.
 
I converted in the spring of 2017 (after approx 10 yrs on Baq) and once the goo started to form on the surface, I tried to keep up with it using a leaf rake, cleaning my skimmer, and brushing the walls and bottom. I knew I would need to change my sand after finished, but I still wanted to try to keep as much out of it as I could. I really don't recall a problem with an accumulation on the bottom.
 
I knew I would need to change my sand after finished,
So you had been using baqua with a sand filter? Curious as to why you switched being that I've been hearing the past few years that baqua works well with sand (or at least better than DE). What I typically do when opening is to not put my DE grids (or any chemicals) in until I vacuum up as much gunk as possible that has accumulated over the winter. Can't see the bottom, of course, but I still go all around the pool and collect the stuff in the pump strainer, emptying it several times - all the while just circulating rather than filtering. Then, when I have a good part of that stuff vacuumed out, I have always started to add the baqua chemicals. So when converting next spring, I'd plan on doing the same, only instead of adding baqua it'll be chlorine to initiate the conversion process. Does that sound like a reasonable plan? So with the formation of this "baqua goo" or whatever, does it initally form on the surface and then eventually sink to the bottom, which would, of course necessitate constant vacuuming? I'm just trying to get a mental picture of how thing proceeds. Have to start re-reading some of the conversion threads.

You only have 1200 more gallons than I do, so might be worthwhile to take a look at your conversion thread, if there is one. I also started using skimmer socks which I suppose would be helpful as well.
 
Hi Anthony! I remember conversing with you a few years back when you were considering dumping the Baq. I just assumed that you must have gone ahead and done it then, since I didn't see any more posts from you about it. Sorry to hear you have deprived yourself of a few more years of a owning a trouble-free pool. Hopefully this time, the "I want to do this next spring" thing is for real. :poke:

As to your question about junk on the bottom, there was some junk floating, a yellowish film on the side, and some settling on the bottom that kinda resembled puke. Four to six inches of gunk? Nope!!! A constantly running filter, set in recirculate mode, with hairnets in the skimmer (4 to 5 a day!) worked well to skim the junk while not filling my sand filter. Of course, a good sturdy pool net, skimming the BaquaCurds off the top helped as well. After the sides and bottom edges began to appear, brushing and filtering were added, along with the hairnets and netting.

Like anything else, if you look long enough and talk to enough people, you can find someone who will tell you what you want to hear about pool care. As for my TFP transformation... last season I spent a grand total of $54.70 on supplies for the pool. Admittedly, I also had about $20.00 of "inventory" from the previous year; so let's say $75.00. I also spent around $30.00 in replacement reagents for my test kit. I have never had an algae outbreak, or water mold, or any of the other wonderful "benefits" of Baquacil. My pool has never been cleaner or more clear. Nobody's hair has turned green, nor their skin fallen off from using chlorine. My water has never smelled like chlorine. Oh, and I now test for Chlorine and pH every OTHER day. I test my CYA monthly, my Calcium Hardness once a year, and my TA whenever I'm bored and have absolutely nothing else to do.

Anthony, my friend, how does this compare with YOUR pool care regimen and cost?
What are you waiting for? Come On, Man!!! :hammer:
 
What are you waiting for? Come On, Man!!!
When did you do it....at spring start up or during a swimming season? Thanks so much for all the encouraging info. Right now I'm just....tired....of the pool, thinking about the pool, backwashing the filter (13 times so far this month), plus all the other outside work which is being neglected. I can't keep up anymore. Age has crept up on me and something has to change. As much as I love where I live, I need to start thinking about downsizing to a smaller property - maybe someplace that has a pool where I have NO responsibility for whatsoever.

Now...with the pool full of more baqua chemicals this season than I've added in years, is probably not the best time to convert. I'm not a fan of draining since the plaster was just redone 8 years ago and I hate to jeopardize it. The guy who did the renovation tells me that anytime you expose a replastered pool there is a chance of damage. Seems ridiculous to risk that since it could then entail another $40k redo. I have to get through this season then plan for next year's conversion. No choice. Well, yeah, there is - the other is to continue baqua with a sand filter. Somehow that choice seems aLOT easier, although baqua is hard on the sand too as well as DE.

I appreciate all the advice but I've got to just take a few steps back from this and focus on other outside chores that have been pushed off due to so many hours spent working on the filter. I'm hopeful that cutting back the timer to 6 hours instead of 10 might at least give me another day or two in between backwashing. Another issue is the amount of water being consumed (dumped out) during all these backwashings. We're on a well and I'm a bit concerned about having to constantly add water especially if we run into a dry spell.

Unfortunately I'm just losing my ambition for all this. Coupled with some increasing health issues, it ain't making any of it easier.
 
A constantly running filter, set in recirculate mode, with hairnets in the skimmer (4 to 5 a day!) worked well to skim the junk while not filling my sand filter.
The question will be...at what point do I actually start filtering (with the DE grids) as opposed to simply circulating water? I don't have a "recirculate" mode on the filter. The only way I can do that is to have the grids out of the tank. It should be interesting.
 
Anthony, good to hear from you. I'm truly sorry for what you're going through again. You and I both know that even if Baquacil was without issues, most of us just can't afford it.

When I converted three years ago, it was at spring startup. I didn't drain, because like you, we are on well water. I replaced my $22.00 a gallon Baquacil Oxidizer with with $3.50 a gallon liquid chlorine (10% strength.) I was using a gallon of the Baq oxidizer a day; I now use around 18 oz. of chlorine a day, @ $4.60 a gallon. I replaced my $41.00 a HALF gallon Baq Sanitizer with the same 18 oz. dose of liquid chlorine. Not an additional dose, mind you; the same 18 oz. dose of chlorine is my daily total spend to both oxidize the organics and sanitize the water! I use no clarifiers, no algaecide, no floc, etc., etc. So far this year I have added four things to my pool: chlorine, stabilizer, 20 Mule Team Borax, and water.

Also, no more "guess strips" for testing. A quality test kit for a chlorine pool (I heartily recommend the TF-100 kit) will set you back about the same as one bottle each of your Baq "Liquid GOLD. Note: I currently spend less than 15 minutes every other day testing and adjusting my water chemistry. If something is amiss, I almost always see it before a test tells me that something is squirrely with my water.

And we haven't even talked about the amazing clarity of the water or what you plan to do with all of the extra time you used to spend Pool-Boying it. So far, we've found you wads of unspent money for your wallet, boatloads of freed-up time for your other chores, and unbelievably clear, clean water. With all these positives, why move?? You obviously like your place and you like the pool. It's Baquacil that you HATE! As far as not wanting to drain your pool, research the threads about draining and replacing your water utilizing the tarp method. No need to empty your pool and risk damaging the finish. Look at the total picture before you make a decision you might regret. You can do this, Anthony! I'm still pulling for you. :)

For the record, I'm almost 71, tired and retired. I have two bad knees requiring surgery and one bad shoulder. My wife and I have raised three of our grandkids for the last ten years. All three are now active teenagers. YIKES! We live on 10 acres, of which 4 is mowed lawn. My wife's seven horses mow the rest. If not for TFP, our pool would have disappeared by now, I assure you.

If you decide to do this, there's a ton of members on here that are way smarter than me, and more than willing to help you complete your conversion.

Good luck and Godspeed, my friend!
 
I use no clarifiers, no algaecide, no floc, etc., etc.
Surely an advantage to have chlorine be both the oxidizer and sanitizer.

no more "guess strips" for testing.
Well, here I must disagree a bit. I have a test kit for both baqua sanitizer and oxidizer. Former is a LaMotte kit and the latter is Taylor K-2006 - certainly also adequate for chlorine testing. Haven't used strips for the past 3+ years. That said, however, I like the way pool math provides an exact amount of what is needed. I have that on my iphone from last summer already so as to start getting familiar with it.

amazing clarity of the water
While not having a means of comparison (yet anyway) I must say that I do have super clear water especially the last two seasons. That's part of my problem..the filter appears to be doing its job TOO well it seems!


It's Baquacil that you HATE!
Not really...I hate the number of DE changes that I've been experiencing the last 2 seasons, not the system itself. What's taking place this season is unprecedented in my 22 years with baqua. I think it's fairly obvious by now that I (still) like the idea of using a non-chlorine system. I had a really bad experience with chlorine - used it for 10 years and was really glad to get away from it. That said, I didn't use a TFP-recommended system but rather all granular products. So, based on (much) discussion with Lee, I apparently ran into a CYA-induced chlorine lock.


You obviously like your place and you like the pool.
I do, for sure, but unfortunately having acquired meniere's disease a few years ago has not made things easier. Tough to get out and do what needs doing during the growing season when I'm either lightheaded and/or a tad dizzy. Leaning / bending over to work, then standing back up, etc. really can set things in motion. Will be going back to the ENT shortly for additional analysis. Stress exacerbates the situation and surely this filter issue has been a source of stress. My left ear feels partially blocked the past 3 weeks. I only manage 1+ acre - can't even imagine dealing with your property!


Look at the total picture before you make a decision you might regret. You can do this, Anthony! I'm still pulling for you. :)
I really appreciate these sentiments and now do recall conversing with you. However, my memory is severely impaired and unfortunately getting worse (just another worry since my Dad passed from complications associated with dementia. I could go to a sand filter - strongly recommended by a friend of mine who also uses baqua but has always had sand - BUT - were I do that, I know I'd always wonder what might have happened with taking another stab at chlorine - so that is the way I must go. It's no longer a matter of wanting to do it. I admittedly don't want to - but at this point it is what it is.
I have two bad knees requiring surgery and one bad shoulder.
THIS part I sort of recall now...geez...I'm not at that point with the knees yet thankfully. Surely wishing you the best when you do get around to the surgery!!!



there's a ton of members on here that are way smarter than me, and more than willing to help you complete your conversion.
That's why I'm a gold supporter. I KNOW all the help that people have gotten here - easy to see from the lightning-fast replies to just about any thread that shows up. And, I look forward to getting that help as well - I'm sure I'll need it. Right now feeling scared to embark on a conversion since little seems to be going right so far this season, except for the water - which looks fantastic.
it was at spring startup
OK...I'll probably message you going forward so as to not overly consume cyberspace here on the open forum!
 

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Just do it NOW and be done. You will be able to enjoy your pool without much fuss at all - for the rest of this swim season.
Only thing is, given the amount of extra baqua chemicals I've put in this season compared to other years, I suspect - from everything I've read here - that it could slow the process. Also, likely to lose 1-2+ weeks of swimming. Seems a shame to do that.

Coming up on 12 weeks remaining in the season - I didn't open till June 1 this year - a few days later than usual. Also, need to be out-of-state for awhile next month - not sure when or for how long, so, just doesn't seem the best time. I think it highly possible that the conversion might require as much or possbily even more time, overall, as just continuing to change the DE as needed till closing.

And, finally, I'm just so far behind on other work and projects that needs doing - can't quite imagine babysitting the pool as needed for the conversion yet this summer. Were I to do it this summer, I'd think it really should be drained / refilled first. Doing so probably would make a fairly easy process - also based on what I've read here. I hate to put the plaster at risk for even whatever minimal time might be the case during exposure.

I appreciate the encouragement, but I just don't see it happening this summer anymore. Were I assured of being home all next month - maybe.
 
Newdude, if that were to happen, we'd probably get investigated! You know... "What's their angle?" "Nobody does somethin' for nuthin'!" "I don't trust 'em!"

Maybe we should just be content to live in our pretend world. It's actually not too bad, right? As my favorite band, Journey, once sang: "Don't Stop Believin'!" Wow, guess that dates me, huh? :oops:

Hope you have a wonderful holiday!
 
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TFP bench is loaded with talent (as usual) and chomping at the bit for a chance to play! Put 'em in, coach!
A conversion WILL HAPPEN....Absolutely a promise. There is no longer a choice. As I mentioned towards end of last year, this spring didn't work out well cause of two trips close together. Were it not for that, my original plan was to open early and go at it. Then, the pool got opened even a bit later than anticipated, and as of right now I've added lots of baqua chemicals -far more than usual. I can only assume that'd make a conversion (right now) go considerably harder and longer (?) At least that's what everyone says here. Best is when the pool is diluted, like after winter, right? Option B - drain and refill...now. What holds me back from that is the possible danger to the plaster. I hate to do anything that jeopardizes it since it was redone only 8 years ago. Builder informed me just last summer when I inquired about draining that anytime a replastered pool is uncovered there can be problems. Is there something about replastered vs. original plaster that would justify his statement? I know little about these things, and so just hate to take the chance. His advice, which was echoed here also, is - if essential to do so - drain it quick, keep it wet, and fill it quick. Draining undoubteldy makes for the easiest conversion - anytime. That only makes sense.

What I REALLY don't understand, this season, is WHY these extremely short filter cycles. Have been using baqua for 22 years and never experienced anything even remotely close to this. Newdude has mentioned to me that, having assisted with lots of conversions, he never once heard anyone mention that one of the reasons they did it was due to short filter cycles / rapid pressure increase. Today I started at 13 and within literally minutes it was up to 15. I had not even gotten the DE in the skimmer yet. Like I said, NEVER in my 33 years of running a pool have I seen something like this. Obviously, it can't go on - consumes TOO much time, TOO much water, and TOO much DE that winds up in the yard. Thus my saying that the conversion WILL happen - either this summer yet or next spring. Baquacil rep and whomever this lab guy was that looked at a whole bunch of info I sent him, indicates that the grids are "blind" as I referred to in a different part of the forum. This can occur, he tells me, "over time". Well, in that case I don't buy it cause both my sets of grids are only 2 years old and frequently acid-cleaned. Also, IF they are clogged in the way that "blind" implies, someone tell me why the startup pressure is typically lower at first - often between 13-15 - been that way for the past few years - even before new grids. Oh well...that's enough...for now.
 
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I hope we are all here to see it happen!
Well, maximum of 10 months or thereabouts....I think you'll make it. Can't speak for myself though after possibly doing 40 more DE changes this summer yet.

I can see it now...."man found dead of mysterious circumstances outside near his inground pool, was not in the water, but rather apparently expired while taking a sledge hammer to his filter tank. It was noted that a particularly demonic expression was on his face during his unexpected demise. Adding to the rather bizarre event is that the remains of large numbers of boxes of diatomaceous earth were found burning - as if in effigy - on the front lawn." 😆
 
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