It's a pond, it's a pool, it's a tank

dubjay

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Howdy y'all -- short-time lurker, first-time poster.

So we're basically some country bumpkins with a 27000 gallon 16x48 CMU semi-in-ground (50% above grade/50% below grade) "tank" we built some 20 years ago. It has a 16ft long "infinity edge" and a constant flow of about 1-2gpm of coarsely filtered (100 mesh/150 micron) water from a nearby creek (everything is gravity fed). The constant flow is used to maintain temperature (we have many days over 100f in the summer) and also because the pool weeps a certain amount and will start to drop if we turn off the water completely (probably on the order of 0.5gpm/700gal per day or thereabouts)

Up until this year we used chlorine tablets and the floating dispensers to maintain a certain amount of clarity, and also would vacuum using a flexible pool hose thrown over the edge to siphon. After reading things here; we added CYA (at about 30ppm, but it's constantly dropping), I've switched to using liquid chlorine (10%) and so far have had good success with that, however recently we were away for a week and started to get some algae on the bottom / cloudiness. Working on getting that back under control, but also would be nice to be able to maintain things for a week or so without having to be here.

Have been thinking about adding a pump/sand filter (we are off grid and could run a 1-1.5hp pump for 6-8 hours/day nearly every day of the summer). The "tank" was built with a traditional pool drain at one end, and multiple 1-1/4" pvc stubs around the pool at different heights. There are no strainers as such, and none of the stubs are plumbed anywhere, but could be if necessary. We don't have any tall trees near the tank, so large debris is not typical.

If we add a pump, I gather we could also add a SWG which is also of interest.

I'm wondering what, if anything, would work best in our somewhat unique situation? Where is the intersection between effectiveness, cost and complexity?

Incoming water
Temp: 60f or thereabouts when it gets to the pool, guessing it's closer to 50-55f at the source, can confirm if necessary.
PH: 8 or thereabouts (acid demand 2 drops)
Alkalinity: 120ppm
Calcium: 100ppm

Any thoughts appreciated!
 
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Hey Dubs and belated Welcome !!!

We are going to need to see pics of the off the grid / homestead pool and it's gravity feed. It sounds amazing !!!

It sounds to me like more of a dam and less of a pool, because of the constant flow. With 5-10% water exchange daily, your entire pool is exchanged every 2 weeks with 0 CYA fill water. You need the CYA or the sun burns off your FC in no time. How did the FC hold previously with the various methods tried?
 
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I want to see photos, too. And although I don't have as much experience as many of the others here, it seems to me that regular Trichlor chlorine tablets would work great in your situation. They can't be beat for convenience, and the main reason not to use them -- CYA over-accumulation -- isn't a factor for you at all. The other reason not to use them -- acidity -- will actually help you if the pH of your incoming water really is 8.

I'd try to put the tablets inline with the water feed, or maybe in floating dispensers tethered in front of the incoming water, since I imagine that floating dispensers would otherwise tend to drift toward your dam / "infinity edge" where the chlorinated water might be forced out over the dam before it's had a chance to circulate and do its job.

SWG needs warm, salty water. Not really an option for your situation.
 
Me over here waiting for awesome pics 📸
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Wow thanks for all the replies and warm welcome!

@Newdude - To be totally honest I'm not really sure how the FC level would hold before as we weren't testing regularly and mostly just tried to keep it reasonably clear. I'm starting to get a better sense this year since we got the K-2006 test kit, but everything is in flux right now since trying to clear up the algae buildup which (I think) is causing the FC to drop pretty rapidly.

@lgdrew - It's good to hear that the tablets might be a good way to carry us through, and that the main downside (CYA accumulation) would be mitigated with the constant flow.

Will get some pictures tomorrow, I promise!
 

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Oh you have done it now! I want more details-where does the water come in? ( I see the hose shooting water into the pool.) Where does the water go? Oh my is that every pretty and that view!!! WOWZER!
Water runs in from that hose bib as shown (fountain?), it is conveyed by pvc pipe from a small pond on a small stream on the property, some distance away (fortunately the pond is quite a ways uphill, so everything is gravity fed).

The running water maintains the pool height and temperature and basically turns the infinity edge (shown on far side of tank) into a big skimmer. A few years ago we actually built a further two (smaller) tanks that the water from the infinity edge can cascade into, but they still need some work. After the third and lowest tank, the plan is to have it come down a small concrete "creek" of sorts where it is just discharged down the hill, which as it happens, is a few hundred feet above the stream which provides the water- so it has been said that the tank(s) just represent a "wide spot in the stream" ;)

I ended up getting a floaty and some trichlor, in addition to putting in some bleach to clear up the water (seems to be working - need to retest levels).

Thanks for all the kind words and interest!
 
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