How much is gunite or fiberglass worth over vinyl?

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malba2366 said:
What manufacturer of fiberglass pool were they quoting that is cheaper than vinyl?
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This is the person/company I got fiberglass quotes from... NOTE: I did not end up with a fiberglass pool so this is not an endorsement... just passing along contact info:
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Luis Savastano
Vice President (North America)
Leisure Pools and Spas Manufacturing North America, Inc.
2600 Sea Ray Drive, Knoxville, Tennessee 37914
Telephone 865 219 2880
Facsimile 865 219 2889
Mobile 865 329 7793
Email [email protected]
Web http://www.leisurepoolsonline.com
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Jcvader99 said:
This is the person/company I got fiberglass quotes from... NOTE: I did not end up with a fiberglass pool so this is not an endorsement... just passing along contact info:
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Luis Savastano
Vice President (North America)
Leisure Pools and Spas Manufacturing North America, Inc.
2600 Sea Ray Drive, Knoxville, Tennessee 37914
Telephone 865 219 2880
Facsimile 865 219 2889
Mobile 865 329 7793
Email [email protected]
Web http://www.leisurepoolsonline.com
Follow us Twitter | FaceBook | YouTube | Google+
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Ahh yes...Leisure pools direct. I entertained that option as well as it is a good price savings, but there are too many moving parts to coordinate with a finished pool project and my work schedule just does not allow for me to actively coordinate all of it.
 
nobueno said:
I guess I was primarily wondering if everyone with gunite was still choosing gunite if the price difference was normally so drastic. Apparently that is not the case in most places except NY and CO.
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Nobody has gunite pools here. Almost all the pools in Ontario (and probably Canada) are vinyl, with some fiberglass pools getting common too (but nowhere near as common as vinyl). It is quite rare that someone would have gunite. I have no idea what gunite would cost, but a lot I'd imagine.
 
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nobueno said:
That's how I felt. On the fiberglass PB website it stated: "Ballpark figures would be $32,000-$35,000 for smaller pools, $42,000-$45,000 for medium pools, and $50,000+ for large pools." As the total cost of the pool installed. Then when I talked to him on the phone, he tried to tell me that was their cost for the shell and their builds started at over 100k. I stopped talking to him after that.
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He just didn't want the job. Tradespeople always give outrageously high quotes when they are busy and don't need the work. (I guess if you'd been fool enough to go along with it he'd have found the time to do the job at those insane prices).
 
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Wow for that price if I had to have a pool I would look to be moving into a home that already had a pool. When we got quotes 3 years ago vinyl was I think like 30% cheaper than gunite ($65k vs $45k). Fiberglass was like 10% cheaper.
 
Vinyl is popular in freeze areas and gunite more so south and west. Many areas dont have enough work for gunite crews and there are crews that actually travel with the weather same with plasterers. Nowadays you can do anything with a vinyl pool except stools and tables in the pool. With no border liners and vinyl over stairs you have to get it the pool and check to know the difference. You can tell anybody its concrete.......the bottom has Portland cement in it and it has a big footing. I could win the lottery and I'm not spending 100k on a hole in the ground
 
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I used to live in NJ. Pools in your area Easily cost $100k +.The property taxes are even worse.
jimmythegreek said:
Vinyl is popular in freeze areas and gunite more so south and west. Many areas dont have enough work for gunite crews and there are crews that actually travel with the weather same with plasterers. Nowadays you can do anything with a vinyl pool except stools and tables in the pool. With no border liners and vinyl over stairs you have to get it the pool and check to know the difference. You can tell anybody its concrete.......the bottom has Portland cement in it and it has a big footing. I could win the lottery and I'm not spending 100k on a hole in the ground
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Just got another bid today approaching 200k for a basic geometric 16x40 gunite pool. "A base price with standard structure pool design (no piers) if needed much more and to include 20’ run of Gas & Elec. with all filtration,Auto cover -5’ of concrete decks and a 16’ x 40’ - 3.5’ - 8.5’ deep pool would be in the area of $175,000.00-$185,000.00"

I don't understand how they're able to charge so much. Having difficulty finding more vinyl builders in our area but I feel pretty good about the one we've found. Waiting on his estimate still though.
 
I hope you are paying cash. According to Bankrate.com at the going rate of 4.5%, A 10 year loan for $200k has $45k in interest. 15 years was $75k and 20 years was $103k. Ouuuuuuuuuch.
 
nobueno said:
Just got another bid today approaching 200k for a basic geometric 16x40 gunite pool. "A base price with standard structure pool design (no piers) if needed much more and to include 20’ run of Gas & Elec. with all filtration,Auto cover -5’ of concrete decks and a 16’ x 40’ - 3.5’ - 8.5’ deep pool would be in the area of $175,000.00-$185,000.00"

I don't understand how they're able to charge so much. Having difficulty finding more vinyl builders in our area but I feel pretty good about the one we've found. Waiting on his estimate still though.
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Wow. Just wow. This is totally out of the norm of reasonable pricing for a basic pool. I feel bad for you that you are in an area where there are so little supply for an obviously high demand. That $200k bid sounds like $150k of pure profit. I mean capitalism and all aside for me that would put a nail in the coffin of a pool. I was serious with my previous reply though; have you considered moving to a house that already has a pool? Pools do not add much to a house, but $200k sure does. You could be moving to a castle with a pool already installed for the same money.

What about contracting this yourself? Costs are costs there isn't a lot of big-time managing the project is relatively small. Dig hole, rebar hole, shoot gunite or place pool (fg), plumbing, electric, deck, pool equipment.
 
Chickinvic said:
Nobody has gunite pools here. Almost all the pools in Ontario (and probably Canada) are vinyl, with some fiberglass pools getting common too (but nowhere near as common as vinyl). It is quite rare that someone would have gunite. I have no idea what gunite would cost, but a lot I'd imagine.
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That may be an Ottawa thing, here in Toronto there are lots of gunite pools, we have one, I have not seen one in a long time, that isn't gunite, except a guy on here, near Newmarket. I would expect the costs to be fairly similar, you still need to dig a hole, run plumbing, run gas and electric. put in some kind of support structure. It may be a question of a contractor preferring to use a certain method, and costing another at a "go away" price.
 
PoolGate said:
Wow. Just wow. This is totally out of the norm of reasonable pricing for a basic pool. I feel bad for you that you are in an area where there are so little supply for an obviously high demand. That $200k bid sounds like $150k of pure profit. I mean capitalism and all aside for me that would put a nail in the coffin of a pool. I was serious with my previous reply though; have you considered moving to a house that already has a pool? Pools do not add much to a house, but $200k sure does. You could be moving to a castle with a pool already installed for the same money.

What about contracting this yourself? Costs are costs there isn't a lot of big-time managing the project is relatively small. Dig hole, rebar hole, shoot gunite or place pool (fg), plumbing, electric, deck, pool equipment.
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Yea, if I could find trustworthy subs, I'd consider going this route. I did it on our last house but I felt more confident with that.

It's not for a lack of supply. I reached out to 8 contractors yesterday alone and 22 total now. I'm learning many of their website contact forms don't work so it's better to just call. I've had one reasonable bid for each type of pool. As low as 95k for a 16x40 diving gunite pool and as low as 50k for a 16x40 diving vinyl pool and 70k for a 16x40 diving fiberglass. Those include the permits, heater, pump, SWG to get it running but no extra decking or anything.
 
nobueno said:
Yea, if I could find trustworthy subs, I'd consider going this route. I did it on our last house but I felt more confident with that.

It's not for a lack of supply. I reached out to 8 contractors yesterday alone and 22 total now. I'm learning many of their website contact forms don't work so it's better to just call. I've had one reasonable bid for each type of pool. As low as 95k for a 16x40 diving gunite pool and as low as 50k for a 16x40 diving vinyl pool and 70k for a 16x40 diving fiberglass. Those include the permits, heater, pump, SWG to get it running but no extra decking or anything.
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I would suggest you manage the project yourself... Your biggest expense is the gunite phase... Try to find a gunite contractor in your area and maybe try to get some rough estimates for a 16x40 pool.
 

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