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    pH creep up too much? TA too low?

    I've been using Taylor K-2006 testkit and TFP method for about 2 months. Thanks TFP !
    My current test results are:
    FC: 3.5
    CC: 0
    pH: 7.5
    TA: 50
    CH: 300
    CYA: 25
    Borate: 50

    CYA was really high, so in early May, I replaced 80% of water & stopped using Trichlor pucks. CYA now holding at 25, but is that too low?
    pH rises about 0.1 daily so, I do add MurAcid every 3-4 days to keep pH 7.2-7.6. Is that daily creep up too much ?
    TA seems to be holding well at 50, but will letting it stay that low risk damaging my pool ?

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    Taylor K-2006 test kit w/ Speed Stir, InstaTest strips for borates

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    Re: pH creep up too much? TA too low?

    How much your FC loss is per day will tell you if you need to raise cya or not.. Anything over 3 or so is high. My cya is 50 couple hours East of you and I still lose 4 ppm per day in full sun. We recommend Ta in the range of 70 to 90 to help stabilize your PH.
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    Re: pH creep up too much? TA too low?

    My FC loss per day is right at 3, so I'll use Trichlor pucks to get the CYA up to 40-50.

    As for the TA . . . per Pool School, I kept TA 70-90 by weekly adding baking soda, but still had a consistent pH creep up of 0.1 daily. Then I read in TFP forum to leave TA alone to see where it naturally levels out. I did and my TA naturally levels out at 50. And my pH creep up is still only at 0.1 daily.
    So, if I let TA stay at 50, am I risking damaging the guinite pool ?
    17k gal, in-ground oval guinite 18x34; Hayward ProGrid DE6020 Filter w/ 1.5hp Super II pump, KreepyKrauly suction-side cleaner;
    Taylor K-2006 test kit w/ Speed Stir, InstaTest strips for borates

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    pH creep up too much? TA too low?

    You can do the CSI calculations using PoolMath. Assuming 200ppm salt and 88F, your CSI comes out to -0.24 which is considered "Balanced". A CSI lower than -0.3 has the "potential" to etch plaster and anything lower than -0.6 is corrosive to plaster.

    You have 50ppm TA and 50ppm borates so it's a bit strange that your pH is rising. Is your pool new or newly plastered? Any forms of constant aeration like bubblers or deck jets? What is your fill water like?

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    Re: pH creep up too much? TA too low?

    Pool isn't new and not recently plastered. No aeration but the Kreepy Krauly hose vibrates a lot causing surface breakup.
    * Fill water is low pH and TA 30. and CSI is -0.26

    Since TA of 50 isn't harmful, I guess I'll just let it be and make sure to keep pH adjusted so CSI does not drop below -0.3.
    Thanks for the advice.
    17k gal, in-ground oval guinite 18x34; Hayward ProGrid DE6020 Filter w/ 1.5hp Super II pump, KreepyKrauly suction-side cleaner;
    Taylor K-2006 test kit w/ Speed Stir, InstaTest strips for borates

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    Re: pH creep up too much? TA too low?

    I would suggest keeping the pH closer to the 7.7 to 7.8 range.

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    Re: pH creep up too much? TA too low?

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesW View Post
    I would suggest keeping the pH closer to the 7.7 to 7.8 range.
    +1

    My pool pH jumps quickly to 7.8 and then stays there for weeks.
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