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    Is my new pump too big

    Have been slamming my pool at opening for awhile now. Pool is blue but very cloudy. Suspect problem is the new pump I got for free. Unfortunately I have little experience with sizing pumps, head calcs, etc.... Old pump was

    Magnetek Century Centurion B124, 2.0HP SF 1.20
    New pump is Whisperflo WFE-6 1.5HP SF 2.21
    Filter is old Baker Hydro HRV-24 (3.14 sq.ft) , filter rate 47-63GPM, max psi 50, (running at 19 psi on new pump, closer to 15 on older pump)

    Can anyone confirm or alleviate my fears that this new pump is to big for my filter?

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    ~25,000gallon inground/plaster
    WFE-6 Whisperflo 1.5HP (2.21SFHP)
    Baker Hydro HRV-24 sand filter (3.14 sq/ft)

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    Re: Is my new pump too big

    Although your pump is clearly too big and could possibly damage the filter, to clear the pool, you need to continue to SLAM. A cloudy pool really has almost nothing to do with the pump.
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    Re: Is my new pump too big

    im considering piping a second pump in parallel to simulate a 2 speed pump. I have the older Magnetek unit still, so I can swap the motor. any recommendations on adding a low flow pump? Should I replace my sand filter with a larger model?
    ~25,000gallon inground/plaster
    WFE-6 Whisperflo 1.5HP (2.21SFHP)
    Baker Hydro HRV-24 sand filter (3.14 sq/ft)

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    Re: Is my new pump too big

    There is no pool pump that will emulate low speed of a two speed pump. But if you don't want to spend a lot of money, a simple solution is to replace the pump impeller with a smaller one. You probably don't need more than a 1/2 HP equivalent so you can go with that impeller. The part number is in the Whisperflo manual. Replace the seal while you are at it.
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    Re: Is my new pump too big

    Maybe I should just swap motor out of the Whisperflo to a 2 speed or VS. What would be your recommendation for those replacements?
    ~25,000gallon inground/plaster
    WFE-6 Whisperflo 1.5HP (2.21SFHP)
    Baker Hydro HRV-24 sand filter (3.14 sq/ft)

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    Re: Is my new pump too big

    I would not swap out the motor for a VS replacement because I think the reliability is a little less than desirable but for the Whisperflo and a 2 speed, you will want the B2983 motor.
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    Re: Is my new pump too big

    Error in original post
    Old pump is Magnetec Century B124 2HP SF 1.2 = 2.4THP American Products Americana pump circa 1980
    Newer pump is Whisperflo WFE-6 1.5HP SF 1.49=2.2HP
    suction has 2x1 1/2" lines totaling approx 45'
    return is 2" with 3 return ports
    Pump sits approx. 12" above water line

    I found a Magnetec Century motor in the garage. (Jacuzzi pump attached, no basket) Donated from friends spa. BN37
    1 to 1/8 H.P. Is this too small? Can it mount to the Whisperflo pump? Can it mount to my old Americana pump?
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    ~25,000gallon inground/plaster
    WFE-6 Whisperflo 1.5HP (2.21SFHP)
    Baker Hydro HRV-24 sand filter (3.14 sq/ft)

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    Re: Is my new pump too big

    When you reduce the THP of a pump motor you also have to reduce the impeller size.
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    Re: Is my new pump too big

    So if I use the impeller from the jacuzzi pump with the jacuzzi pump motor, can I mount it to the Americana pump? 48Y motor to 56 frame?
    ~25,000gallon inground/plaster
    WFE-6 Whisperflo 1.5HP (2.21SFHP)
    Baker Hydro HRV-24 sand filter (3.14 sq/ft)

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    Re: Is my new pump too big

    Impellers as well as most parts are not usually interchangeable outside of the same pump line so it may not fit and could interfere with the diffuser.
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    Re: Is my new pump too big

    Sounds like I will go with the recommended B2983 unless you think I can downsize to the B2982+impeller?

    I really appreciate all the good advice here!
    ~25,000gallon inground/plaster
    WFE-6 Whisperflo 1.5HP (2.21SFHP)
    Baker Hydro HRV-24 sand filter (3.14 sq/ft)

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    Re: Is my new pump too big

    Sure you can downsize the impeller too. As small as you want. The smaller you go, the less power will be used. But flow rates decrease too so I just want to make sure you don't have any high flow rate features (e.g. spa waterfalls).
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    Re: Is my new pump too big

    Nope, just need to be able to vacuum and backwash. If you think a smaller pump can handle it, that would be my preference.
    ~25,000gallon inground/plaster
    WFE-6 Whisperflo 1.5HP (2.21SFHP)
    Baker Hydro HRV-24 sand filter (3.14 sq/ft)

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    Re: Is my new pump too big

    Is this it? If so, Yes.


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