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    Cool Opening advice

    Hello everyone

    Last year was my first season using the TFP method. Here is a reminder what I started with last year:

    Before pic!!



    I used a cover over the off months and this is what I'm starting with this year



    I'm getting ready to SLAM (yes, I have cleaned out debris and checked all equipment)

    Here are my initial readings with TFP test kit:
    pH 7.5
    Chlorine 0
    CYA 0
    TA 100
    CH 75
    FC 10ppm
    CC 5ppm

    I just checking with y'all about how to proceed to make sure I don't screw up anything!!! Lol
    I'm thinking:
    1. fix CYA
    2. SLAM
    3. add salt
    OR should it be :
    1. fix CYA
    2. add salt
    3. SLAM

    Thank you all sooooo much!!! I love my Trouble Free Pool
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    Re: Opening advice

    First thing you should do is add about 10 ppm of FC to your pool before adding CYA. You had CYA in the pool last year so with a reading of 0 this year, there is a chance it may have been converted to ammonia over the winter. To see if there is ammonia conversion do the 10 ppm FC addition and check the FC/CC after 1 hour. Post your results then.

    Rake out as many leaves as you possibly can in the process.
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    Re: Opening advice

    I agree with JVTrain.

    Have you added anything?
    Was the OTO test clear? And yet you measured 10ppm FC and 5ppm CC with the FAS-DPD? That does not compute.
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    Re: Opening advice

    OTO test?? Remind me which one that is. Could my DPD powder from last year be no good? It has dark purple chunks in it.

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    All I have added so far was about 7 gallons of bleach while I was vacuuming, brushing & cleaning out debris.
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    Re: Opening advice

    In your results you list the pH and the say chlorine = 0 (the OTO is the yellow matching test with the pH) .. then later give the FC and CC.

    The powder can get chunky and purple, just break it back up.
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    Re: Opening advice

    Yes, the OTO was clear. I have vacuumed again, backwashed & added 4 gallons of bleach. Will retest in 1 hr. & report back Thanks!!
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    Re: Opening advice

    If the OTO was clear, then I do not understand how you got any reading from the FAS-DPD test. The OTO is a nearly bulletproof test for the presence of chlorine in the water.

    How was the test kit stored from last year?
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    Re: Opening advice

    I stored my test kit in a closet over the winter.
    Obviously I screwed something up the first round of tests because here are my new test results after adding 4 gals. of bleach & circulating for 1 hr:


    CL 5
    Br 10
    pH 7.5

    FC 4.5 ppm
    CC .5 ppm

    CH 100
    TA 110
    CYA 0
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    Re: Opening advice

    Ok, add 30ppm CYA, add acid to get PH to 7.2 and SLAM. Then add salt and get SWG working after SLAM.

    Nice opening!
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    Re: Opening advice

    Thanks so much! Do I have to add the CYA slowly through the sock method? Or can I just dump it in so I can start the SLAM?
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    Re: Opening advice

    The sock is not that slow if you squeeze it often. And then you know when it is dissolved.
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    Re: Opening advice

    Add it in a sock, suspended in front of a return. Pump running 24/7 and occasionally squeezing the sock will dissolve the CYA fairly quickly. Even though it won't all be instantly dissolved, assume your CYA is at the level you targeted with the addition of the CYA and start the SLAM. For instance, assume your CYA is now 30 if you added enough to get there for the purposes of a SLAM.
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    Re: Opening advice

    Great!! Thanks so much, I'm on it Am I going to need to bring the CYA up to 70 after the SLAM? It should be 70-80 according to PoolMath.
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    Yes. After the SLAM, then you can get your CYA higher (70 at first) and work on dialing in your SWCG. It's easier/cheaper to SLAM at lower CYA levels so best to wait til the water is clear. If you need to while dialing in the SWCG after the SLAM, keep some bleach around to supplement until you figure out run time and % generation.
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    Re: Opening advice

    Hi everyone,

    The SLAM is going great thanks to all I have learned here and all y'alls help!!!

    While I'm slamming I need to learn about "dialing in my SWG". I would love to be able to use the timer. I see that I have one, but have always turned the pump on & off manually. I took pics because I don't see the "trippers" that should be on the dial to set it with according to the directions inside..... I also took a pic of the directions such as they are. If anyone can help with this, I appreciate it as always (Or do I need to post this in a different thread?) Thanks!!



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    Re: Opening advice

    You can get the little on / off trippers from most any hardware store. Just look for ones that will work with Intermatic mechanical timers ... might be by the hot water heaters.
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    Re: Opening advice

    So a tripper is just a little screw on piece that holds the position for the clock dial to start & stop at?
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    Re: Opening advice

    That is right.
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    Re: Opening advice

    Awesome!! Thank you I have been studying up in Pool School about SWGs, SWG Water Balance & Pump Run Time..... I will buy the trippers & be ready to go as soon as SLAM is finished
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    Re: Opening advice

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