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    New Pool. First time post. Hello everyone.

    Hello everyone. I put down my deposit with a local pool builder last August, for March 2015 install. I live in Louisville, KY. It rained through March and April, so he didn't start until may 5th. I am 4 weeks in, and the pool is ALMOST done.

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    I have so many questions about my pool, I don't even know where to begin. You're probably asking, "Why don't you ask your pool man?". I don't ask him because every time I ask him a question, he either gives me a BS answer, or simply doesn't have the time for me. When he comes to my house, he is usually on the phone, managing his employees or talking someone though a problem, etc. It is really hard to corner him long enough to talk about anything.

    It has been a struggle to get him to work on my pool. As I said, I'm starting my 5th week now, and it's still not complete. Maybe I expect too much. When May came (and he had $23K of my money), I expected him to bust *** on my pool, since he was already two months behind. But he had dozens of customers all wanting their pools worked on and instead of focusing on my pool, he was busy trying to please many other customers. Most days, he shows up at 11am, dig one truck load, then disappear for hours, come back, one more truck load, then gone by 3pm for the day. Some days he wouldn't even show. He never tells me when he is coming or not, he just shows up when he can. There were 3 different times that I had to get VERY FIRM with him, in order to get him here and working. I was practically begging him to work on my pool. I'm 100% certain, if I had not pestered him as I did, my pool would not even be close to done.

    The good news is... I feel like he did a good job on the pool (mostly). There are some things I'm not sure about, but because I don't know enough about pools, I can't tell if it's wrong or not.

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    I'm going to ask a few basic questions here. If anyone can answer, I would really appreciate it. If I should ask the questions in a different section, please let me know.

    1. The thing I'm mostly concerned about it the level-ness of the pool. From one end to the other, the difference from the waterline to the white plastic coping support (as seen in above picture) is 1 & 7/8". Almost 2". It isn't very noticeable, because I don't have a tiled waterline, but that is something I wanted to add later. Should I be concerned about this? I mean... nothing can be done about it now, but it seems pretty far off to me. I realize it is a big pool and getting it perfectly level is difficult. Is this normal?

    2. Plumbing: The plumbing and equipment is all located in my shed, out of the weather. But the plumbing was done with absolutely no unions, and I have 90 degree elbows everywhere. The pumps have plenty of power to overcome the elbows, but is this typical? Check out the two 90's right on the output of the black booster pump. Ridiculous! If I were plumbing it myself I wouldn't use so many elbows and maybe use some flexible pvc where possible. I guess I could re-do the plumbing myself, if I wanted. His guys put the plumbing together and while they were doing it, I was telling them to move this or that so they could use less elbows. They looked at me like I was crazy and said "This is how we do every pool". They used all 2" plumbing, so maybe the elbows are ok with the bigger plumbing?

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    I have a ton more questions, but I'll ask those in other topics.

    Thanks in advance for any opinions you can give me. Overall, I'm happy with the pool, but I'm concerned about the pool not being level, and my pumps not being efficient because of all the elbows. I'm really looking for someone to let me know if my concerns are valid, or if these things are normal and I should not worry about it. I work very hard for my money. My wife and I have been saving for 2 years for this. It is a huge investment for us and I want to make sure I'm not getting screwed here (before we make the final payment)!

    Thanks
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    Re: New Pool. First time post. Hello everyone.

    First of all, welcome! While it sounds like it was quite a process, it looks very nice from the pics. I've seen others ask about options to remedy a pool that's not level, and many resort to tiling to help disguise the error since tearing it all out really isn't an option. I've read-up on post for leveling myself because a year after my fiberglass was placed in the ground, I noticed a slight tilt of about 1". Most people would never notice, just me. I'll see if I can find the tread, but I seem to recall there is an "industry standard" of +/- 1" per a span of (?) feet somewhere. Not sure if I saw that on TFP or somewhere else. Some of these TFP experts are a "swimming" Encyclopedia and may know that answer. The plumbing ... woo. It does look overwhelming with a lot of twists and turns, but again we have readers who have literally engineered such products as will give you their 2-cents worth. Most agree that less bends is better, and unions are always a good idea if maintenance is required later. Since your pool is so new, we would hope you don't encounter such situations anytime soon. However - I totally agree with you about "some" contractors. Once the money is in-hand, the level of attention received seems to disappear. Not quite like it was in the showroom. Try not to let it eat at you too much and enjoy your pool.
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    Re: New Pool. First time post. Hello everyone.

    Welcome to TFP!!!

    1. 2" out of level seems pretty big to me. I am not sure what a standard would be though.

    2. Yeah that is a lot of elbows and I am sure it could have been laid out a lot better. But with 2" plumbing it should be fine.
    What is the valve for between the pump and filter? Just a waste port?
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    Re: New Pool. First time post. Hello everyone.

    >>>Try not to let it eat at you too much and enjoy your pool.

    Thanks for the well worded response, Texas.

    >>>What is the valve for between the pump and filter? Just a waste port?

    Good eye, Jason. Yep, just in case I need to dump water.
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    Re: New Pool. First time post. Hello everyone.

    Jason, your test kit link in your signature is broken. I would be interested to read that. I have a cheapie test kit and would like something more accurate.

    Pool: 13,500 Gallon, San Juan StarDust Inground Fiberglass, installed May 2015
    Filter: Pentair cartridge filter, Clean and clear plus
    Main pump: Pentair Intelliflow | Booster pump: Pentair 3/4hp
    Pool Cleaner: Polaris 280 | Chlorine generator: AquaCal Autopilot Digital Nano Plus
    Filled pool with city water & using TF-100 test kit

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    Re: New Pool. First time post. Hello everyone.

    You know I have found a few broken links today ... thanks for the heads up. You have posts in your other thread ...
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    Re: New Pool. First time post. Hello everyone.

    Hi guytimes,
    welcome to TFP!

    Regarding the levelness of your pool, its not difficult to achieve 1/2 level across a span such as yours. It just takes attention to detail and doing it with the right tools. My pool is 30' long and is less than 1/4 inch out of level.
    Those guys just didnt do a very good job in leveling the pool walls. All it would have taken is a shovel of dirt here, and a shim there, and an extra hour or 2 to get it right. Man, I feel for ya... there are a tremendous amount of PBs and workers out there, who apparently dont realize that the cost of a pool is a huge amount of money to us pool owners.

    As for the plumbing,
    It could have been done better, but its ok as is. You shouldnt have any problems.

    Oh, and http://www.tftestkits is where you can get the best there is. The TF100.
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    Re: New Pool. First time post. Hello everyone.

    Nice looking pool and area!

    Get a TF-100 and you will have the best test kit in the world!

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    Re: New Pool. First time post. Hello everyone.

    You've already been given some good advice, but just wanted to welcome you to TFP!
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    Re: New Pool. First time post. Hello everyone.

    Got my fence done today, thought I would show it off here. The posts are not cut down yet, as I may add something at the top. I'm very pleased with it. I paid a local company to do it. They did it in 3 days, worked about 9 hours a day.

    This picture is missing the top trim, but close enough.

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    Re: New Pool. First time post. Hello everyone.

    Looks like you already have a sparkling pool!
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    Re: New Pool. First time post. Hello everyone.

    Quote Originally Posted by BoDarville View Post
    Looks like you already have a sparkling pool!
    I do. Thanks to the people here. Can't tell you how much money I've saved already. I had no idea I could raise my alkalinity with a $2 box of baking soda. If I had left it up to my pool installer, it would be green by now.
    Pool: 13,500 Gallon, San Juan StarDust Inground Fiberglass, installed May 2015
    Filter: Pentair cartridge filter, Clean and clear plus
    Main pump: Pentair Intelliflow | Booster pump: Pentair 3/4hp
    Pool Cleaner: Polaris 280 | Chlorine generator: AquaCal Autopilot Digital Nano Plus
    Filled pool with city water & using TF-100 test kit

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    Re: New Pool. First time post. Hello everyone.

    Hey all, I put together a 6 minute video. This is a 5000X FF video of our pool install from start to finish. This video was taken over a 5 week period with my Logitech alert cam. It was only about 12 days of actual work, and some of those days were short!

    I only added relevant frames to the video, so you don't have to watch all the days where nothing happened. I decided to leave the cam in position for security and liability reasons.

    https://youtu.be/KDGhwbEjmBQ

    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/KDGhwbEjmBQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
    Pool: 13,500 Gallon, San Juan StarDust Inground Fiberglass, installed May 2015
    Filter: Pentair cartridge filter, Clean and clear plus
    Main pump: Pentair Intelliflow | Booster pump: Pentair 3/4hp
    Pool Cleaner: Polaris 280 | Chlorine generator: AquaCal Autopilot Digital Nano Plus
    Filled pool with city water & using TF-100 test kit

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