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    Newbie in Phoenix, AZ - Green Pool and BBB method

    Hi all,

    I'm new to this forum. Though I've been taking care of my pool for a few years, I'm still a novice. I used to just go to the pool store for testing and mostly just using shock and tabs to keep it clear (worked great in winter) - I try to keep things simple.

    After reading this thread, I will buy a good test kit and really stay on it.

    I have an in-ground non-salt-water diving pool, 35k gallons (built in '89), sand filter. I was just going to shock the heck out of it (pardon my ignorance). However, I understand there's more too it and will keep reading.

    That said, can I use any components of the BBB method to get my pool from green to clean, or do I need to balance it out first?

    Thanks in advance!

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    Re: Newbie in Phoenix, AZ - Green Pool and BBB method

    Welcome to TFP!

    You want to start with making sure the equipment is working, and get/post a complete set of water test results. Things only occasionally need adjusting before SLAMing, but without current test results it is impossible to know where you are, and thus what might need adjusting.
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    Re: Newbie in Phoenix, AZ - Green Pool and BBB method

    Quote Originally Posted by JasonLion View Post
    Welcome to TFP!

    ... without current test results it is impossible to know where you are, and thus what might need adjusting.
    Thanks!

    Yes, will test and post results.

    Do I really need the big Taylor K-2006 type test kits, or will the Walmart 6-way one suffice? I can do the latter today, the former will require a few days to order.

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    Re: Newbie in Phoenix, AZ - Green Pool and BBB method

    The fancier test kits we recommend, TF100 and K2006, are well worth the investment. You can get started with a simpler WalMart kit, but the fancier kit will more than pay for it's self in giving more accurate results that allow you to avoid problems and fine tune you water balance.
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    Re: Newbie in Phoenix, AZ - Green Pool and BBB method

    Quote Originally Posted by Bravo4 View Post
    Thanks!

    Yes, will test and post results.

    Do I really need the big Taylor K-2006 type test kits, or will the Walmart 6-way one suffice? I can do the latter today, the former will require a few days to order.
    Yes, you really need the kit. I recommend the TF-100, but either will suffice. You need a kit with a FAS-DPD test to measure chlorine accurately and at a high level. Can't do a SLAM without it.
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    Re: Newbie in Phoenix, AZ - Green Pool and BBB method

    Hi Bravo4,

    Ya, you really need the K-2006 or the TF-100. I purchased the TF-100 and I'm really glad I did. It's a quality kit and it's very well put together/thought out.
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    Re: Newbie in Phoenix, AZ - Green Pool and BBB method

    I love playing... um testing with my TF100!
    25,000 gallon IG with vinyl liner. Not sure how old it is. Sand filter, not sure what brand/size, Hayward Super Pump c48k2n143b1. I have a Polaris 180 cleaner on it's last wheel (haha). I'm still not sure about water restrictions, but haven't gotten any hate mail about the amt I used last summer. I absolutely LOVE my TF-100 test kit.

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    Re: Newbie in Phoenix, AZ - Green Pool and BBB method

    Thanks, all!

    I'm getting the K2006 because I can have it here from Amazon on Saturday. They also donate 5% to my chosen charity using http://smile.amazon.com - that's cool.

    So once I give the test results, will I be able to use the BBB method materials (Chlorine, Borax and Baking Soda & acid) to get things cleared up, or do I need to start with Chlorine and such? Really interested in the BBB method for cost saving.

    FYI - I'm also reading TFPC for Beginners... I plan to shed my n00b status quickly

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    Re: Newbie in Phoenix, AZ - Green Pool and BBB method

    TF100 with Speedstir all the way. We have some challenges here in Phoenix, not least the pool store teenage mutant testers , and as everyone has said, get the best kit. I had the HTC kit before I got my TF100, I gave it (the HTC kit) to my buddy because he didn't want to spend the extra $$, but now he asks me to bring mine over. Boy does it cost him a lot of beer!!

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    Re: Newbie in Phoenix, AZ - Green Pool and BBB method

    I just made sure I had plenty of bleach and 2 gallons of ma on hand to start with. I bought stabilizer after my last full refill to get my cya down and retrofit the drain covers.
    10,700 G IG Pebble Tec with in floor popup cleaning by A&A. 1.5 hp Hayward North star through Hayward C5020 cartridge filter, 1.0 hp Hayward Northstar for 1 3ft & 2 1.5 ft. sheer decent waterfalls. Using TF-100 for testing.
    Peoria, AZ

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    Re: Newbie in Phoenix, AZ - Green Pool and BBB method

    Keep in mind you don't have to be totally up to speed on everything, just post your test results here and ask for an opinion. Pool Math is awesome as is the Pool Pal app. You'll be up to speed in no time.
    10,700 G IG Pebble Tec with in floor popup cleaning by A&A. 1.5 hp Hayward North star through Hayward C5020 cartridge filter, 1.0 hp Hayward Northstar for 1 3ft & 2 1.5 ft. sheer decent waterfalls. Using TF-100 for testing.
    Peoria, AZ

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    Re: Newbie in Phoenix, AZ - Green Pool and BBB method

    Quote Originally Posted by Bravo4 View Post
    Thanks, all!

    I'm getting the K2006 because I can have it here from Amazon on Saturday. They also donate 5% to my chosen charity using http://smile.amazon.com - that's cool.

    So once I give the test results, will I be able to use the BBB method materials (Chlorine, Borax and Baking Soda & acid) to get things cleared up, or do I need to start with Chlorine and such? Really interested in the BBB method for cost saving.

    FYI - I'm also reading TFPC for Beginners... I plan to shed my n00b status quickly
    You'll be able to use those materials, yes, but the only thing you should buy at this point is liquid chlorine. You can check this Thread for ideas if you don't know where.

    Once you get the kit and post the results here, we can guide you on what you'll need.

    Good Luck!
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    Re: Newbie in Phoenix, AZ - Green Pool and BBB method

    Thanks all!

    I put a lot of shock into the pool before I went on these forums, plus a bunch of chlorine pucks (I know, probably not wise, but it's worked before). The green algae is gone, but it's still cloudy.

    So I read the entire booklet that came with the test kit, but I am having trouble:

    With the chlorine test I used a 10ml sample of water and then added the 2 dippers of R-0870 (which turned the water pink). Then, you are supposed to add R-0871 until the water turns colorless; however, the water continued to maintain its pink hue, in fact I think the water became a slightly darker shade of pink as I add more drops. I re-tested this several times, same results.

    Additionally, when testing for total alkalinity, first you add 2 drops of R-0007, then you add 5 drops of R-0008 in order to turn the water green. Yet, in my case the water turned a very diluted shade of translucent blue-green; then, after adding R-0009 to change the color from what was intended to be green to a red, for me the water transformed form the transparent blue-green previously mentioned to a clear yellowish color after about 9-10 drops (Although I did continue to add about 30 drops with the water still remaining yellowish).

    Then for the calcium hardness test I added all the drops and follow all the instructions, and all went well as the water turned red to signify calcium hardness was present, but when I added the R-0012 the water was supposed to turn from that red to a blue, yet after 80 drops the water only turned from red to clear in varying shades.

    After doing the CYA test, everything worked well except the instructions said, "Read tube at liquid level on back of comparator block. Record reading as PPM." There's nothing on the back of the testing tube at all. Am I missing something?

    I need to do a pool renovation in the next 3-6 months and the pool will be emptied then anyway. I was hoping to use it until then, but should I just empty it now? I don't want to empty and fill it twice this year.

    Thoughts?

    Update: Looks like I just have *waaay* too much chlorine. Since we don't use it much and I just want to keep it from turning green, I figure I should just ride the chlorine out rather than counteract it since I've spent the $ on it. Am I wrong?
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    Re: Newbie in Phoenix, AZ - Green Pool and BBB method

    Here are video demonstrations of the tests.
    https://www.youtube.com/user/tf100te...e=results_main
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    Re: Newbie in Phoenix, AZ - Green Pool and BBB method

    Quote Originally Posted by pooldv View Post
    Here are video demonstrations of the tests.
    https://www.youtube.com/user/tf100te...e=results_main
    Thanks. I am testing properly, it's just the instructions for the CYA test that are wonky... I'll call Taylor on it.
    BTW: I bought the K2006, though I guess these videos for the tf100 are essentially the same.

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    Re: Newbie in Phoenix, AZ - Green Pool and BBB method

    You can always redo the portion of the CYA test when you put the solution into the graduated vial. Just return the solution to the mixing bottle and complete that portion of the test again.
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    Re: Newbie in Phoenix, AZ - Green Pool and BBB method

    So my chlorine is still very high. pH is 7.2, algae is gone, but it's cloudy. Not planning to swim in it anytime soon... is there anything I should do?

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    Re: Newbie in Phoenix, AZ - Green Pool and BBB method

    Are you in the process of SLAM?

    Give us a full update which includes:
    FC - Free Chlorine
    CC- Combined Chlorine
    PH -
    TA -
    CH -
    CYA -
    10,700 G IG Pebble Tec with in floor popup cleaning by A&A. 1.5 hp Hayward North star through Hayward C5020 cartridge filter, 1.0 hp Hayward Northstar for 1 3ft & 2 1.5 ft. sheer decent waterfalls. Using TF-100 for testing.
    Peoria, AZ

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    Re: Newbie in Phoenix, AZ - Green Pool and BBB method

    Are you in the process of SLAM?

    Give us a full update which includes:
    FC - Free Chlorine
    CC- Combined Chlorine
    PH -
    TA -
    CH -
    CYA -

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    Re: Newbie in Phoenix, AZ - Green Pool and BBB method

    I guess I'm in the process of an n00b SLAM (and I didn't know what that was until I read about it when you mentioned it) please pardon my ignorance, still learning.

    FC - off the charts (beyond measurement at this time)
    CC - off the charts (both FC and CC are the same test, correct? Or maybe I misunderstood?)
    PH - 7.1
    TA - 90 ppm
    CH - 350 ppm
    CYA - 200 PPM

    What should I do?

    Thanks!

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