Become a TFP Supporter Pool Math Forum Rules Pool School
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 23

Thread: Ta help

  1. Back To Top    #1
    TrevNJPool's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    atco/nj
    Posts
    142

    Ta help

    What does it mean if the solution turns red after adding the R008? Isnt it supposed to turn green? The Ph is less than 6.8. This is for a friends pool. Never encountered that before
    40x18 Lazy L Rectangle
    29500gal IG w/ vinyl liner
    HAYWARD S244T 300lb sand filter
    Hayward Super Pump 1 1/2hp

  2. Back To Top    #2
    Patrick_B's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Midland TX
    Posts
    15,001

    Re: Ta help

    This means his pH is critical low. There is Zero TA. The pH needs to come up immediately. I would begin adding Soda Ash (washing soda) NOT baking soda until you reach a mid 7 pH. What kind of pool is this?
    TFP Moderator
    Essential Links:
    ABC's Of Pool Chemistry, Test Kits, SLAM Your Pool
    28K Gal IG FreeForm, CLI Quartz, Pentair 36"SF & VS Pump, Dolphin M5, Rheem

  3. Back To Top    #3
    TrevNJPool's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    atco/nj
    Posts
    142

    Re: Ta help

    Its an IG. I have to measure for gallons. I have the soda ash. The cover just came off

    - - - Updated - - -

    Vinyl liner
    40x18 Lazy L Rectangle
    29500gal IG w/ vinyl liner
    HAYWARD S244T 300lb sand filter
    Hayward Super Pump 1 1/2hp

  4. Back To Top    #4
    Patrick_B's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Midland TX
    Posts
    15,001

    Re: Ta help

    Ok, we can help figure it out with some dimensions if you need it. Covered you say? I'm really wondering what happened then. Better Vinyl than plaster, but I have no idea how much that hurts vinyl or not. Obviously not good for a plaster pool.
    TFP Moderator
    Essential Links:
    ABC's Of Pool Chemistry, Test Kits, SLAM Your Pool
    28K Gal IG FreeForm, CLI Quartz, Pentair 36"SF & VS Pump, Dolphin M5, Rheem

  5. Back To Top    #5
    Defgufman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2015
    Location
    Savannah GA
    Posts
    577

    Re: Ta help

    Just curious, why not baking soda?
    Inground 13,200 gal Vinyl, Pentair 3/4 hp pump, Pentair Sand Dollar filter, Polaris 280

    Pool School, Pool Math, CYA to FC ratio chart, Testing Kits

  6. Back To Top    #6
    JasonLion's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Silver Spring, MD
    Posts
    37,879

    Re: Ta help

    If you start out adding baking soda your TA usually ends up too high by the time you get everything back under control.
    19K gal, vinyl, 1/2 HP WhisperFlo pump, 200 sqft cartridge filter, AutoPilot Digital SWG, Dolphin Dynamic cleaning robot
    Creator of PoolMath and Pool Calculator. Other handy links: Support this site, TF Test Kits, Pool School

  7. Back To Top    #7
    Patrick_B's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Midland TX
    Posts
    15,001

    Re: Ta help

    And because the low pH is what does the damage. If you get the pH in range, some TA will come with it, and you can tweak it later.
    TFP Moderator
    Essential Links:
    ABC's Of Pool Chemistry, Test Kits, SLAM Your Pool
    28K Gal IG FreeForm, CLI Quartz, Pentair 36"SF & VS Pump, Dolphin M5, Rheem

  8. Back To Top    #8
    BoDarville's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Location
    DFW, Texas
    Posts
    3,840

    Re: Ta help

    Think of pH as the main tuning knob and TA as the fine-tuning knob. You first want to go to the right channel (adjust pH to recommended levels - mid-7's) and then bring the picture of the selected channel into sharper focus (adjust TA to the point where pH stays relatively stable within the recommended range).
    Gold Supporter, TFP Lifetime Supporter, 26,680 gal Plaster IGP 3.5 - 10' depth / Attached Waterfall Spa, Manually Chlorinated, Triton Sand Filter, 1.5 HP * 1.1 SF = 1.65 SFHP 1-speed Pentair WhisperFlo WF-26 Pump, 400K BTU NG Teledyne Laars Series One Heater, Polaris 360, Test Kit Comparison, Chlorine/CYA Chart, SLAMing Your Pool, OCLT
    A good test kit is an investment, not an expense.

  9. Back To Top    #9
    Patrick_B's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Midland TX
    Posts
    15,001

    Re: Ta help

    I never thought of it that way Bo....that has me thinking of TV in the 70s.
    TFP Moderator
    Essential Links:
    ABC's Of Pool Chemistry, Test Kits, SLAM Your Pool
    28K Gal IG FreeForm, CLI Quartz, Pentair 36"SF & VS Pump, Dolphin M5, Rheem

  10. Back To Top    #10
    TrevNJPool's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    atco/nj
    Posts
    142

    Re: Ta help

    I can tell u he was dump chlorine in last season and as long as the water was clear that was it. I'm teaching him the TFP method
    40x18 Lazy L Rectangle
    29500gal IG w/ vinyl liner
    HAYWARD S244T 300lb sand filter
    Hayward Super Pump 1 1/2hp

  11. Back To Top    #11
    Patrick_B's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Midland TX
    Posts
    15,001

    Re: Ta help

    Keep us posted, I'm really curious how this goes. Good luck with your friend, maybe you can bring him around.
    TFP Moderator
    Essential Links:
    ABC's Of Pool Chemistry, Test Kits, SLAM Your Pool
    28K Gal IG FreeForm, CLI Quartz, Pentair 36"SF & VS Pump, Dolphin M5, Rheem

  12. Back To Top    #12
    TrevNJPool's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    atco/nj
    Posts
    142

    Re: Ta help

    As of now he put in 55oz of soda ash and then 5lbs of ph +. He did test using the drop test phenol red and its showing yellow. I'm suspecting his chlorine is too high still. It came out to about 20,000 gallons roughly.
    40x18 Lazy L Rectangle
    29500gal IG w/ vinyl liner
    HAYWARD S244T 300lb sand filter
    Hayward Super Pump 1 1/2hp

  13. Back To Top    #13
    JasonLion's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Silver Spring, MD
    Posts
    37,879

    Re: Ta help

    Measuring the TA is a good way to get a sense of how far you still have to go. If the PH is being raised with soda ash and PH +, the PH should start being measurable at roughly the time the TA gets up to 70.
    19K gal, vinyl, 1/2 HP WhisperFlo pump, 200 sqft cartridge filter, AutoPilot Digital SWG, Dolphin Dynamic cleaning robot
    Creator of PoolMath and Pool Calculator. Other handy links: Support this site, TF Test Kits, Pool School

  14. Back To Top    #14
    TrevNJPool's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    atco/nj
    Posts
    142

    Re: Ta help

    I cant believe it was that bad. Thank u
    40x18 Lazy L Rectangle
    29500gal IG w/ vinyl liner
    HAYWARD S244T 300lb sand filter
    Hayward Super Pump 1 1/2hp

  15. Back To Top    #15
    Patrick_B's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Midland TX
    Posts
    15,001

    Re: Ta help

    I can. No control like that and things can go wildly out of bounds.
    TFP Moderator
    Essential Links:
    ABC's Of Pool Chemistry, Test Kits, SLAM Your Pool
    28K Gal IG FreeForm, CLI Quartz, Pentair 36"SF & VS Pump, Dolphin M5, Rheem

  16. Back To Top    #16
    TrevNJPool's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    atco/nj
    Posts
    142

    Re: Ta help

    so far he has put in 55 ounces of soda ash, 5 pounds of Ph+ and four pounds of borax. he is telling me Itis still yellow, is that possible? maybe he got a bad batch of droppers
    40x18 Lazy L Rectangle
    29500gal IG w/ vinyl liner
    HAYWARD S244T 300lb sand filter
    Hayward Super Pump 1 1/2hp

  17. Back To Top    #17

    Re: Ta help

    The worst ta that I have seen was about -200. That means that, just to get to zero, I had to raise the ta by 200. If it turns red immediately, the ta is zero, or even less than zero. Therefore, yes, it can take quite a bit of bicarb or ph increaser to get a reading on ta and ph. It took over 100 lbs of bicarb just to get a good ta.

    Do you have the T100 or k-2006?

  18. Back To Top    #18
    TrevNJPool's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    atco/nj
    Posts
    142

    Re: Ta help

    I do, but he has to buy one. Told him he can't wing it with a pool. I just ordered refills for my T100. I'm doing the pool math according to his drop test pics. Trying to get Ph to turn peach atleast.
    40x18 Lazy L Rectangle
    29500gal IG w/ vinyl liner
    HAYWARD S244T 300lb sand filter
    Hayward Super Pump 1 1/2hp

  19. Back To Top    #19

    Re: Ta help

    Are you getting a ta reading yet?

    What is the cya?

  20. Back To Top    #20
    TrevNJPool's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    atco/nj
    Posts
    142

    Re: Ta help

    20150523_155008.jpg
    The good news is that the TFP method had my pool ready to go in 3 days!
    Last edited by TrevNJPool; 05-24-2015 at 06:11 PM. Reason: fixing
    40x18 Lazy L Rectangle
    29500gal IG w/ vinyl liner
    HAYWARD S244T 300lb sand filter
    Hayward Super Pump 1 1/2hp

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •