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    OCD in action!

    Yes, I'm a bit anal I guess, but I don't think that's a bad thing. Anyway, after purchasing a new-to-us home with a beautiful 24k gunite saltwater in-ground, and enjoying it for a year, it has become clear that salt and natural stone don't mix....erosion! So going to shut down the generator this year and go TFP method. Just received my TF100 test kit tonight and will have the results up tomorrow, but already know my CYA is ~80 so will liked be draining half of it tomorrow and prepare to SLAM, as we've had a bit of algae this spring that keeps creeping back no matter how hard I hit it.

    Looking forward to crystal clear water and ultimate control of our oasis.

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    Re: OCD in action!

    Well, just a little,of my OCD coming out, but nothing in TFP is against salt pools. TFP is not a bleach only system.

    TFP is based on accurate testing and adding a what your pool needs, when it needs it. Many here use salt systems, others of us use liquid automation systems (Liquadator or Stenner) while some still use pucks. It's all about understanding what you are putting in the water and controlling it.
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    Re: OCD in action!

    Understood...I love the salt system, and wish I could continue with it, but in 5 years there won't be any stone left. We sealed all the stone/flagstone last year, but a bunch of it is red sandstone and the salt is still eating it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbach View Post
    Understood...I love the salt system, and wish I could continue with it, but in 5 years there won't be any stone left. We sealed all the stone/flagstone last year, but a bunch of it is red sandstone and the salt is still eating it up.
    that is a common complaint from those with softer stone work around a salt pool. A few folks,have shown up,here looking for alternatives because their pool builder would not install a SWG because of their stone.
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    Re: OCD in action!

    Welcome to TFP David!

    I have bad news for you I'm afraid. If the stone is going, it will continue to go, but perhaps at a slower rate. I have some similar pieces doing similar things and I don't have a SWG. Salt does influence degradation issues with little doubt, but I'm just saying not to expect it to stop.
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    Re: OCD in action!

    So here are my current measurements. FC-5, CC-<.5, CYA-60, CA-375, TA-176, CH-400, PH-7.2 but just hit with acid and know it'll bounce up. Water is clear but have a little stubborn algae that returns in the shadowed areas every few days. A LOT of rain here the last few weeks and little sun. This is still a salt pool but don't know the ppm at this time, the SWG is not working so I've been keeping the chlorine up with powder. Thinking the plan of action is to clean the de filter, get the TA down to ~70 and SLAM with bleach.

    I think we've decided to replace the SWG and seal the stone again, as we enjoy the feel of saltwater and the simplicity of the system.

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    Re: OCD in action!

    Well, if you have visible algae leave the SWG off, get the filter clean, leave the pH at 7.2 and SLAM the pool

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    Ignore the TA for now
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    Re: OCD in action!

    One other thing to consider, you mentioned changing out some water to lower your CYA but if you intend to get the salt out you'll need to change out all your water.


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    Re: OCD in action!

    Quote Originally Posted by tim5055 View Post
    Well, if you have visible algae leave the SWG off, get the filter clean, leave the pH at 7.2 and SLAM the pool

    http://www.troublefreepool.com/conte...tain-shockingl

    Ignore the TA for now
    Thanks...filter is cleaned and water is now "hot" to FC-24 per the calculator. Will test in an hour and in the AM for adjustment need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbach View Post
    Thanks...filter is cleaned and water is now "hot" to FC-24 per the calculator. Will test in an hour and in the AM for adjustment need.
    Great, a little chlorine and brushing does wonders.
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    Re: OCD in action!

    Too hot...guessing either the builders estimate of capacity is high or the bleach was stronger than average, as it was bottled on the 7th. Tests FC-31 at the moment. Morning will tell the tale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbach View Post
    Too hot...guessing either the builders estimate of capacity is high or the bleach was stronger than average, as it was bottled on the 7th. Tests FC-31 at the moment. Morning will tell the tale.
    many time this builders volume is based on filling water all the way to the top of the coping, thus less when you fill it to the middle of the skimmer.
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    Re: OCD in action!

    Well maybe it wasn't as bad as I thought, but like I said, I'm kinda anal! FC dropped from slam level of 31 and is holding steady at 24 with no CC. Water sparkles like never before and it was everything I could do today not to jump in it after working on the yard all day. Now if we could just get some sun to burn of the chlorine so I can retest and get on to other projects.


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    That is a beautiful pool. Your FC is well below shock level, so if it were anywhere warm, heck just above 70 would be fine I'd be jumping in that pool.
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    Re: OCD in action!

    Hmmm....78 degrees. I've been it it once already last week, algae and all

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbach View Post
    Hmmm....78 degrees. I've been it it once already last week, algae and all
    78 is swimming temperature for us. We jump in at 70 and he'd to the hot tub. At 75 we hang around in the water a little longer. 78-85 we hang out in the water even longer, 85 and above it could be an all day affair.
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    Re: OCD in action!

    Current readings are FC-24 (no OCLT loss), CC-<0.5, CH-400, TA-130, CYA-55 and PH-7.8. I know PH is not necessarily accurate at such high FC, but don't know how/if the other measurements are effected by high FC also. Can I call it good to go and then ??? Adjustments required at this time or just wait for the FC to drop?

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    Re: OCD in action!

    Looks like a pass to me. Time to swim.

    What are you looking to adjust? Wait on the pH. I would ignore TA for now, it will probably come down as you adjust pH later.
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    Re: OCD in action!

    Excellent!! Ordered some Dupont StoneTech Saltwater sealer to hopefully stop, or at least slow, the erosion issue and resulting sand in the pool. So MAYBE a day in the water this weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbach View Post
    Excellent!! Ordered some Dupont StoneTech Saltwater sealer to hopefully stop, or at least slow, the erosion issue and resulting sand in the pool. So MAYBE a day in the water this weekend.
    Don't disappear. Stick around and read other posts and learn. We need more people answering questions.
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