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    From Green Swamp to Cloudy blue Need help

    Hello, I'm new to this site. Great site by the way!
    Ok for weather purposes Im from Modesto, CA.
    My pool was a green swamp over Winter/Spring. My pool needs to be replastered. Pool company came out and said since no cracks Im ok to use for a couple seasons.
    Pool is now blueish, Yesterday when I brushed sides it is no longer green algae, it is now sandy whiteish cloudy dust.
    I followed pool math on here and my hubby poured in bleach which made a difference, we were going through many bags of shock and we were not getting anywhere. Today I brushed sides and bottom that I could reach and was less sandy cloudy dust, but still significant. Hubby added 1 1/2 128oz jugs of pool chlorine. I've been using a water hose connected to leaf catcher to scoop out tons of leaves, gritty debris, and palm tree seeds. Has made a difference. I can now start to see second step but very faintly still cloudy.
    We noticed a leak on booster pump and since from Leslie's we disconnected and they are repairing, apparently propeller is warped due to our hose pinching and not enough water getting through. Wont be fixed until Tuesday.
    My hubby has been cleaning filters but PSI is not going down anymore showing 30 was going down to 18 or 20 not anymore. We have been dumping chems for 5 weeks has been cloudy for 3 weeks no sign of green algae since yesterday (when I brushed bottom I saw a tinge of green) today none just sandy cloudy dust. Since my CYA went from 50 to 0 I know from reading that I need borax and maybe soda ash? Anyhow if anyone can let me know how to conquer this cloudy pool and help me get it swim ready I would really appreciate it. Thank you in advance for your time.

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    On May 13, 2015

    FC: 4
    TC: 4
    CH: 320
    CYA: 0 was 50 on May 5th
    TA: 80
    PH:7.2
    Phosphates: 300
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    Re: From Green Swamp to Cloudy blue Need help

    VMR, I'm sure one of the site experts will chime-in soon, but it sounds as if you are moving in right direction. If you've poked around on this site, you know they always emphasize reviewing the Pool School and ABCs of pool maintenance sections. Also, continue to implement the SLAMming process until your chlorine readings are stable. The one thing I don't really understand from your note is how the CYA went from 50 to 0 in such a short time. Also, stay away from those "bags of shock"! I got roped-into those for a while by the local stores - what a mistake! Stick with the liquid bleach and tools from this site. You won't be sorry. Good luck!
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    Re: From Green Swamp to Cloudy blue Need help

    Welcome to TFP!!!

    The first major problem you have is that you are relying on the people trying to sell you stuff to test your water. And historically, pool stores are REALLY bad at testing water. (CYA does not just drop from 50 to 0 in a week ... unless you replaced all your water). You need to invest in one of the Recommended Test Kits and then follow the ShockLevelAndMAINTAIN Process.

    I would not make ANY adjustments until you have a test kit and post up your own test results.

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    Re: From Green Swamp to Cloudy blue Need help

    Hi VMR, and welcome to TFP . I agree with what Texas Splash, stop using the shock immediately. Continue with the bleach (unscented, and NOT the splash-less, just ordinary chlorine bleach). Read Pool School and the SLAM process (I just did this on mine, and it's crystal). Also, get a TF100 XL test kit with Speedstir, it's what is used on here (if you haven't already got one, that is). As TS said, the experts will be on shortly, so do some reading and get familiar with the SLAM process.

    Good luck, and post pictures, you'll get all the help and encouragement you'll need.

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    Re: From Green Swamp to Cloudy blue Need help

    Thank you to both of you!
    I have a little test kit of my own but will be ordering one like what Ive seen here. My kit only reads the basics little cheapy. Today's reading were chlorine at 5 and PH 7.2.
    Ok. Going back to pool school and searching for a test kit that I don't have to wait for.

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    Re: From Green Swamp to Cloudy blue Need help

    You can get the TF-100 from poolsupplyworld.com ... ships out of CA so you would get it quicker than from tftestkit.net in NC.
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    Re: From Green Swamp to Cloudy blue Need help

    Thank you! I'll look up that test and I'll post pics.
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    Re: From Green Swamp to Cloudy blue Need help

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    We got a little rain today. But this is my pool in progress. Excuse the landscaping mess, we are in process of clearing and cleaning.
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    Re: From Green Swamp to Cloudy blue Need help

    Oh, you are probably closer than many to a clear pool.
    But, you are likely almost to the point where the filtration becomes the most important part, so you need to get those cartridges squared away.
    Check out: http://www.troublefreepool.com/how-t...ter-t4465.html
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    Re: From Green Swamp to Cloudy blue Need help

    Thank you for the link. Went out and bought a better attachment for our hose and PSI went down after cleaning cartridges with it. After reading link and instructions, pretty bummed that we didn't know to write down PSI starting point when we replaced cartridges. Had to wait to order my new test so meanwhile relying on a local (not chain) pool store for tests. Will update when I have my test.
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    Re: From Green Swamp to Cloudy blue Need help

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    Everyday I brush I get this massive cloud
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    Re: From Green Swamp to Cloudy blue Need help

    I had the same issue when I SLAMed my pool a month ago, it's all the dead/dying algae and dirt that you're stirring up when you brush. Clean your filters (I have cartridge filters also, and had to clean them 4 times) and keep up the SLAM and brushing, it will clear fairly quickly. The good news is that your water is turning blue, now you have to filter out the crud in the water. Keep going, you are closer than you think as Jblizzle said earlier

    Filtration is your friend from now on
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    Re: From Green Swamp to Cloudy blue Need help

    Thank you!
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    Re: From Green Swamp to Cloudy blue Need help

    Oh man!!! This pool is driving me nuts! The super nice lady that answered the phone at the test kit store was very nice and said if I don't get my kit by Friday, I most likely will get it by Tuesday (due to the holiday). I have been brushing and vaccuming and I keep pulling out bags of stuff! Leaves, seeds, gravel looking items, and maybe pool chemical gunk? Will post a pic. I have a question while I'm waiting on my kit. I read on here somewhere I can't remember the post, that you can do a messy backwash even if I have cartridges. I will lose water but will help get algae dust out. I also read about a skimmer sock. We have been cleaning cartridges but there seems to be so much dead algae that isn't being filtered out or is being sent back into pool not sure. Help! How can I help my pool get rid of the dust algae? I'm keeping up with the cartridge cleaning but what else can I do? I don't mind putting the work in, but I really want to use this pool by June 13th.
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    Re: From Green Swamp to Cloudy blue Need help

    You can not backwash a cartridge filter. You could remove the cartridge and open the filter drain to vacuum to waste.

    The algae is continuing to grow until you can SLAM. So not sure if the filter cleaning is helping much.
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    Re: From Green Swamp to Cloudy blue Need help

    I received my test kit
    FC 5.5
    CC 1.5
    TC 7
    CYA less then 20
    TA 150
    CH 500
    Looks like my CYA is low I never saw the black dot dissappear and I filled to the top of tube.

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    I'm reading what to do to properly slam now that I'm not guessing
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    Re: From Green Swamp to Cloudy blue Need help

    Based on what I'm reading my CH is too high and my PH a little low as well as my CYA. So I have a question, when doing my CH test do I stop counting as soon as I see a tinge of blue or continue until solid?
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    Re: From Green Swamp to Cloudy blue Need help

    Always add drops until they last one causes no further color change and that drop does not count.
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    Re: From Green Swamp to Cloudy blue Need help

    Ok I've conducted my tests a few times and confirmed my CH is high. Before I continue any further should I be thinking of draining or should I raise my CYA and Slam then deal with CH? My pool is blue but cloudy; I can now see my shallow end and all of my steps. Last night's test Results:
    FC 18.5
    CC 1.5
    PH 7.2
    CH 575
    CYA less then 20
    4 hrs later I was at 18 FC
    5 hrs after that in full sun FC was 4.5 CC 1 everything else same.
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    Re: From Green Swamp to Cloudy blue Need help

    That CH is not too terribly high. It is manageable by keeping the pH a little lower. You could probably put off replacing water for the CH for 1-2 year depending on how much rain you get.

    The pH is not valid when the FC > 10ppm.
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