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    New Pool Build - League City, TX - Help and opinions welcome

    Howdy y'all--

    Another Houston area pool build! I have edited this post because we've signed with our pool builder and this is what we are doing.










    My pool and patio design

    Approx: 29' x 19' - Gunite in-ground pool
    Est 19,600 gal
    Chlorinator in line feeder
    2 skimmers - 5 returns
    Upgraded to 3" PVC
    3 ton moss-rock waterfall
    2 ton weeping wall
    1.5 HP pump for waterfall (weeping rock tied to Pentair multi speed pump)
    2 LED lights in pool, 2 LED in waterfall, 1 LED in spa
    Spa - 6 jets - 1HP blower motor
    Pentair Easy touch 8 wireless

    25' x 16' Outdoor kitchen/patio
    Cedar posts wrapped in stacked stone
    Tongue and groove stained ceiling
    2 ceiling fans
    17 linear foot kitchen counter with raised bar
    Ice maker, Outdoor fridge, sink, 32" grill and Big Green Egg

    (EDIT: I took out my questions because I've got all those answered thanks to y'all)
    Last edited by Flounder32; 05-12-2015 at 03:11 PM. Reason: Hope pictures fixed

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    Re: New Pool Build - League City, TX - Help and opinions welcome

    I see no pictures.

    1. The need pipe size is a function of the flow rate and the layout. Using a larger pipe for the spa is usually a good idea. If the skimmers and drains are run separately to the pump, then the pipe does not have to be as big.

    2. Likely 3 would be fine. 5 vs 6 is negligible.

    3. Depends how many people you are going to have in the spa. And if the plumbing is done properly, a blower is not required.

    4. With a spa, you need a heater. Unless you do not want it to be a "hot tub". A spa without a heater would be an oddity. Not cheap.

    5. Had one at previous house, would not likely pay to have another one installed. They are very inefficient since you have to run a pump at high speeds for a good amount of time to try to keep the pool clean. Getting an electric robot would be much cheaper up front and from a running point of view.

    Realize that the in-line chlorine feeder is generally not recommended or needed as it will cause chemistry problems.
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    New Pool Build - League City, TX - Help and opinions welcome

    Thanks so much for the info. I'm out flying right now and can't try again to post the pictures until tomorrow.

    The heater question was referring to the pool. I'll have a 400,000 BTU heater for the spa but I guess I thought it was only for the spa. Would it heat the pool too?

    (Edited for typo)

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    Re: New Pool Build - League City, TX - Help and opinions welcome

    I assume you mean a 400,000 BTU heater ... and yes you could use that to heat the pool is the plumbing allows it.
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    Re: New Pool Build - League City, TX - Help and opinions welcome

    Hey Flounder. I'm just outside San Antonio. Had our pool for 2 years now. Water is currently a bit chilly, but not for long. I'll still get in it, but just takes a little time to adjust - for now. My wife has times where she begs for a heater until mid-May, then she realizes the water temp is perfect. Basically it's good from May - Oct here. For what it's worth, our fiberglass has 6 returns, but then it only has one skimmer. Sure do like the idea of those rock water-features. Oh, and as for the in-line chlorinator ..... follow this site (pool school) and you'll never use it. You can have it installed as a selling point if you ever move, but you'll learn later via the TFP methods that using those darn chlorine tablets are more trouble than they're worth. Try posting the pics again (maybe link from PhotoBucket), they didn't come through the first time. Good luck!
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    Re: New Pool Build - League City, TX - Help and opinions welcome

    Ok, I will give it all a shot,

    - One builder uses 3" PVC and the other uses 1.5-2". What do I really need?

    I would say 2 inch minimum, 3 inch is likely not needed, my 35 year old pool only has 1.5 inch 2 returns and 1 skimmer.

    - One builder says 5 returns (the one with 3"PVC) and the other says 6 returns.

    In my limited experience your area along the bay gets fairly strong seasonal winds, and often daily wind shifts, so maintaining circulation and having a down wind skimmer may be a challenge, but I feel skimmer placement will be more important than the number of returns.

    - Is 4 jets enough in the spa? Is a 1HP blower enough?

    depends, as Jason said, no blower is needed if it is designed right, unless you like that cold air bubble effect.

    - Neither builder brought up buying a pool heater. Do I need one here in Houston? How much are they generally? Worth it?

    Depends on how long of swim season you want, cost of operation will be lowest with natural gas at the moment, Solar is also a viable option if you have a place to mount the panels, but being near the coast I am not sure I would suggest them since it gets very windy there every couple of years.

    - Both builders pushing in floor cleaning system - One prices it at $9000, the other at $5000 (brand and model looks the same to me) Even at $5000, I'm not sure I can justify the cost. Thoughts?

    I would never consider it, buy a robot for 1/10th the price and replace it every few years.
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    Re: New Pool Build - League City, TX - Help and opinions welcome

    Thank you for the replies! I am definitely planning on using the TFP method!

    Here are some pictures of the backyard in it's current (horrible) condition.






    This is where my pool equipment pad will go. I plan on putting a gate here blocking off this as a utility area and filling it with river rocks.

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    Re: New Pool Build - League City, TX - Help and opinions welcome

    Kitchen/Bar design is great - cant wait to see this go in.

    I would assume would automatically have a heater? if not I would suggest one as it expands the use of the pool

    We had a builder quote a in floor system but decided against it with other users experiences. Some love it, some hate it. Robots seem to do well and are far less expensive.

    keep us posted!

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    New Pool Build - League City, TX - Help and opinions welcome

    Quote Originally Posted by ErikU19 View Post
    Kitchen/Bar design is great - cant wait to see this go in.

    I would assume would automatically have a heater? if not I would suggest one as it expands the use of the pool

    We had a builder quote a in floor system but decided against it with other users experiences. Some love it, some hate it. Robots seem to do well and are far less expensive.

    keep us posted!
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    Re: New Pool Build - League City, TX - Help and opinions welcome

    I know several Houston area pool owners. Every single one said the pool heater was a waste of money. Typically it is used exactly once during the first season. They see the gas bill and never turn it on again.
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    Re: New Pool Build - League City, TX - Help and opinions welcome

    Did they all have spas? If I lived in Tahiti and had a spa it would be heated. Full disclosure, I'm from MD and don't have a spa.
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    Re: New Pool Build - League City, TX - Help and opinions welcome

    In my previous house that had an '80s 40k Gal pool & Spa, it had a heater.
    We used it exactly once on the Pool.
    We used it regularly in the non-summer months on the Spa.

    Now we are finishing construction at our present home on our Pool & Spa, I expect to use the heater exclusively on the Spa in the same manner.
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    Re: New Pool Build - League City, TX - Help and opinions welcome

    We went and picked out the colors yesterday.

    Plaster - WetEdge Satin Antigua (love this color)


    Beach entry - WedEdge Satin Northshore Gold (sand color)

    Our stacked stone - Mulitcolor with the Wister flagstone underneath that will be the coping


    Our tile (although is much more blue than in this picture)


    Granite counter tops


    Decking will be multi-colored custom overlay in a pattern like this (colors choosen on the day they finish the deck)

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    That's going to look good.


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    Re: New Pool Build - League City, TX - Help and opinions welcome

    Should look great
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    Here is a YouTube video that the builder made of the project: http://youtu.be/r8R1RH-Cq8U

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    Re: New Pool Build - League City, TX - Help and opinions welcome

    Wow! That's gorgeous!


    New pool build in Manor, Texas. 2015. 509 sq. feet; 31'6" x 19'10". Sunshelf & bubbler and waterfall sheer. Gunite inground pool. Pentair Intelliflo VS-3050 pump; Filter: Pentair Clean & Clear 420 Cartridge; Inline chlorination w/UV Sys;Lighting:Pentair IntelliBrite Color LED 120V;Cleaner: KK Racer w/booster.Bench/ledge;limestone Coping; Verona Tile 562 Decking

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    Re: New Pool Build - League City, TX - Help and opinions welcome

    Thanks! We are waiting for the engineers to submit the plans to the city. All the waiting is not going to be fun.

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    Re: New Pool Build - League City, TX - Help and opinions welcome

    Any progress on your pool approval?


    New pool build in Manor, Texas. 2015. 509 sq. feet; 31'6" x 19'10". Sunshelf & bubbler and waterfall sheer. Gunite inground pool. Pentair Intelliflo VS-3050 pump; Filter: Pentair Clean & Clear 420 Cartridge; Inline chlorination w/UV Sys;Lighting:Pentair IntelliBrite Color LED 120V;Cleaner: KK Racer w/booster.Bench/ledge;limestone Coping; Verona Tile 562 Decking

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    Re: New Pool Build - League City, TX - Help and opinions welcome

    Hi Jannylee!

    Sorry it took so long to get back to you. I've been busy with work and the pool has basically been at a standstill waiting for the PB to finish engineering designs and the getting the city and HOA approvals. A miscommunication between the PB and the power company over the release from an aerial easement set us back 2 weeks for no good reason. I finally stepped in and took care of it (no thanks to the PB) and now we are supposed only a business day or two away from approval from the city. Nothing beyond that is even scheduled and I'm starting to pull my hair out (my wife too). Communication from the PB hasn't been the best unfortunately. I'm hoping to at least see someone in my backyard spraying the grass and putting out flags this week, but with this pace I'm not holding my breathe.

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