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    Super Concentrated Clarifier

    My parents gave me a bottle of hth super concentrated clarifier; active ingredient: cationic polymer. My water is a little cloudy. What does this stuff do, and is it ok to use. The bottle advertises improved filter efficiency and crystal clear water.

    Current levels:
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    pH 7.2
    TA 100
    CYA 20
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    Re: Super Concentrated Clarifier

    It makes particles attract to each other, stick together, and fall to the bottom. If...you dose it precisely, have the correct type of particles, and all other conditions are perfect for its use. If you don't know the answer to all those questions, I'd suggest not using it. It could make things worse.

    Why do you think your water is cloudy, and why is your FC so high right now? It's over rage for your Cya by a good deal.
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    Re: Super Concentrated Clarifier

    Agree with Patrick!

    Plus, what is your CH and how have you been chlorinating?
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    Re: Super Concentrated Clarifier

    4 weeks ago I started adding chlorine because it was green with leaves on the bottom and had mosquito larvae in it. I started SLAM 2 weeks ago because the water was still murky. I have kept the FC up since then. It is much better now, I can see the bottom well but it is still not crystal clear.

    Current CH is 100.
    Chlorinating with bleach.
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    Re: Super Concentrated Clarifier

    Ok,

    I would stick with your SLAM procedure. Stick with it until you pass all criteria to be finished. Are you currently following SLAM, and how is that going?
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    Re: Super Concentrated Clarifier

    Yes, still following SLAM, it's going good, the water is clear but slightly dingy. I've seen great progress in the last few days. Chlorinating using 30 ppm CYA level.
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    Re: Super Concentrated Clarifier

    Ok great!

    No need for anything else. Just time, filtering, and free chlorine is all you need.
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    Re: Super Concentrated Clarifier

    Great advice!

    Are you also keeping up with your filtration and vacuuming?
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    Re: Super Concentrated Clarifier

    The filter has ran 24/7 since April 13, 2015. I vacuum every two to three days and brush daily.
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    Re: Super Concentrated Clarifier

    Can you post some current test results so we can better see where you are?
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    Re: Super Concentrated Clarifier

    Current Levels 10:00pm

    FC 5
    CC less than 0.5
    pH 7.6
    TC 100
    CYA 40
    CH 100

    The water is quite a bit better. Clear but not crystal clear. Now that I can see the bottom better, I am noticing that there is something that resembles filter sand gathering in the bottom of the pool a within few hours after vacuuming. It is a gray color sand or sediment. The filter sand has not been changed since install.
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    Re: Super Concentrated Clarifier

    Ok, I'm not sure how you are in your other aspects, like the OCLT in SLAM, but your FC is too low for a SLAM value based on your Cya. It doesn't sound like you passed the SLAM. If it's been low like this before you finished, you still need more SLAM and filter time. Sand very, very rarely needs changing. At most your filter may need a deep cleaning, but post back about where your SLAM has been in the last week or so.
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    Re: Super Concentrated Clarifier

    Quote Originally Posted by Toomchfun View Post
    The water is quite a bit better. Clear but not crystal clear. Now that I can see the bottom better, I am noticing that there is something that resembles filter sand gathering in the bottom of the pool a within few hours after vacuuming. It is a gray color sand or sediment. The filter sand has not been changed since install.
    That sounds like dead algae to me.

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    Re: Super Concentrated Clarifier

    SLAM was in progress until 5-13-15. Then the water was clear, OCLT resulted in FC loss of less than 0.5 and CC was at or less than 0.5
    The results were the same on 5-16-15.
    I added chlorine today to bring the FC level up to 16ppm and will re-test tonight and in the morning for OCLT. I will post results and pic of water tomorrow.

    Thanks for the help, I really appreciate it.

    P.S. I have pics through out the process of cleaning if needed.
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    Re: Super Concentrated Clarifier

    My results from last nights test seem to be tainted. At 9:30 pm I added chlorine to bring the FC level up to 16ppm. I tested at 10:30 pm and the result was 15.5 ppm FC. This morning at 6:15 am FC was at 16.5 and CC was at or less than 0.5.
    I will conduct another OCLT tonight, meanwhile I will keep the FC at shock level, testing and adding more on my lunch break and thru the evening.
    Attached are pics of the water from yesterday after vacuuming.

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    Re: Super Concentrated Clarifier

    That's just testing/sample size variation. Possibly mix time added in, but no worries, the difference isn't enough to be concerned about.
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    Re: Super Concentrated Clarifier

    OCLT from last Night:
    9:00pm FC 16.5
    7:00am FC 15.5
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    Re: Super Concentrated Clarifier

    Quote Originally Posted by Toomchfun View Post
    OCLT from last Night:
    9:00pm FC 16.5
    7:00am FC 15.5
    1ppm, a Pass
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    Re: Super Concentrated Clarifier

    Hey congrats! Good work...
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    Re: Super Concentrated Clarifier

    Thanks for the help! You guys are awesome!
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