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    I've owned the pool for 5 years and got sick of buying things at the pool store that I don't need while continuing to have algae and calcium issues. I have kids now ready to use the pool and knew there had to be a better way! I have come across this site a couple times in the past, but am ready to really get a handle on the water chemistry and get this pool sparkling. Just received my K2006 and will begin Saturday morning most likely. To start I thought I had pollen the last couple weeks but after further reading I'm thinking it's mustard algae (mostly on the shady sides, and on steps / sides of the pool as well as all over my vac and hoses). Plan on SLAMing and converting to bleach for my Cl. In the past I've had pucks in a floater and shocked with trichlor every week or two. Just did a pH test only as I read through how to use my test kit and it was 7.9-8.0. Need to bring that down to 7.2 before I SLAM.

    Thanks already for all the intro reading, pool school, etc. Hopefully I can contribute soon.
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    Re: TFPC newb in phoenix

    Welcome! Glad you're here.
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    Welcome to TFP!!
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    Oooooh...you're gonna be saving some greenbacks! Welcome to Pool School
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    Welcome to TFP!!!

    Check your CYA ... sounds like it could be VERY high which will require water replacement before anything else.
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    Looking forward to your first test. Welcome to team TFP.
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    Welcome to the forum and congrats on already getting your K-2006
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    Re: TFPC newb in phoenix

    Sounds like you've been reading.

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    Re: TFPC newb in phoenix

    Quote Originally Posted by jblizzle View Post
    Welcome to TFP!!!

    Check your CYA ... sounds like it could be VERY high which will require water replacement before anything else.
    Thanks, CYA tests to be well over 100. Going to rent or get a harbor feight sump and remove about 65% of the water this afternoon. Fill water will be hard city water, I may need to treat for metals?
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    Re: TFPC newb in phoenix

    I'm pretty sure city water should be free of metals? Perhaps unless they're picked up in old cast iron type city pipes?
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    Re: TFPC newb in phoenix

    Test results this morning:
    Temp 72F
    FC 0
    pH 8.0
    TA 190
    CH 690
    CYA Well over 100

    Took a sample to pool store
    TC 0
    FC 0
    pH 7.7
    TA 165
    CH 700
    CYA 115
    TDS 2100
    Langelier 0.43

    Looks like I will re-read and replace the water rather than slam this weekend
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    High CYA, TDS Drain and Re-fill

    K2006:
    Temp 72F
    FC 0
    pH 8.0
    TA 190
    CH Over 500 (little change @ 50 drops)
    CYA Well over 100 (no dot @ ~1.8 mark)

    Pool store test:
    TC 0
    FC 0
    pH 7.7
    TA 165
    CH 700
    CYA 115
    TDS 2100
    Langelier 0.43

    For a little test kit practice and curiosity I took a look at my tap (fill) water:

    pH 7.9-8.0
    TA 140
    CH 220

    I got a HF pump and plan on draining 60-100% (Pool math says 57% for CYA, 92% for CH) but could use a little guidance. With what I assume to be mustard algae in the pool should I 1) plan on acid washing at all while lowering or just refill and SLAM? 2) I also thought maybe some bleach in a spray bottle may help to brush some of the returns and lights while the level is lowered? I considered filling while draining but will likely do them separately. Any other considerations or ideas for water replacement?
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    Re: TFPC newb in phoenix

    I would drain, refill and SLAM. Pay attention to the mustard directions in the SLAM article. Any extra help you want to give areas with extra brushing and cleaning can't hurt. While,I wasn't in a SLAM I pulled my light out of th niche and used the vacuum hose (it was underwater) to suck out a lot of junk form the niche. You could pull the light, clean the niche and let,the water circulate in there for a while to make sure.

    Ignore the pool store testing, especially the comments about TDS.
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    Re: TFPC newb in phoenix

    Thanks tim, draining now and I will update as I progress.
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    Re: TFPC newb in phoenix

    Once you get your CYA in range of 50ppm and you start to SLAM the pool, brushing is very important as It will knock the protective biofilm off the algae and the chlorine will attack It much harder and faster than not brushing. Its a lot of work but it's necessary.
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    Re: TFPC newb in phoenix

    Thanks for the tip, I don't mind brushing and was doing a lot of it over the last month while I thought it was pollen rather than algae. I was suspicious though when it reappeared soon after

    I have it about 75% drained and will re-fill overnight & will test in the morning or when it's full. Should I tackle the waterline calcium now or later?
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    Re: TFPC newb in phoenix

    Pool is re-filled (about 80-85% replacement), working on lowering pH to 7.2 and then raising CYA to 50.

    Temp 75F
    FC 0.4
    CC 0.6
    pH 8.0
    TA 150
    CH 280
    CYA <30
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    Re: TFPC newb in phoenix

    Added 1/2 gal acid and 2 lb cya in the skimmer. For my cya poolmath I just used 30 targeting 50 as it was recommended to shoot low. Should I start running the filter 24/7? Plan on running it at least overnight to see how the cya dissolves.
    ~13,000 gal freeform IG pebble (built 2006)
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    Re: TFPC newb in phoenix

    Quote Originally Posted by bper View Post
    Added 1/2 gal acid and 2 lb cya in the skimmer. For my cya poolmath I just used 30 targeting 50 as it was recommended to shoot low. Should I start running the filter 24/7? Plan on running it at least overnight to see how the cya dissolves.
    Is the CYA in a sock, or just in the skimmer? Shooting a little low when adding CYA is a good idea.
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