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    Vinyl Pools and Skimmer Lids

    Greetings! We are installing a 18x36 vinyl pool w/14" blue stone coping and Teko-Blok patio. I want to make sure the skimmer lids fall completely outside of the coping, so that it forms a smooth rectangle. My installer is telling me that this is not possible with a vinyl pool, and that he will have to cut into to the blue stone... What do you guys think?

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    Re: Vinyl Pools and Skimmer Lids

    I don't know why you can't install a skimmer neck extension and it should be long enough to fall outside the coping.

    Do you know what brand of skimmer they're planning to use?

    Here's what I was thinking. Long Throat Skimmer
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    Re: Vinyl Pools and Skimmer Lids

    On a vinyl pool, in most cases, the cutout on the pool wall is made to size of the skimmer to be used.
    The mouth of the skimmer obvioiusly bolts to that spot.

    The length of the throat is what will dictate the location of the lid on the deck.

    There are skimmer extensions available, but whether or not they are avialable for the model of skimmer being used, and will match the cut out in teh pool wall might be in question. As well as the lenght of skimmer extensions available.

    You might ask your PB about the possibility of doing this. Most PB's are sort of set in their ways and getting them to accept a alternative idea sometimes can be a sensitive conversation.

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    Re: Vinyl Pools and Skimmer Lids

    Thank you for this information. I will talk to him and see what he has to say.

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    Re: Vinyl Pools and Skimmer Lids

    I guess I dont know exactly what is meant by "commercial skimmer encased in concrete", so I guess Im not much help.

    If an extension cant be done, then what about a "pour a lid" for the skimmer? It may not match your bluestone exactly, but should be able to come close, and not have that white lid spoiling the view!
    here is a website with what a pour a lid is.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZlCxZSx_-Y


    or maybe explore the option of having a skimmer cover made of bluestone? (dont know how possible or feasible this might be though).
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    Re: Vinyl Pools and Skimmer Lids

    The PB explained that he encases the skimmers in concrete which will make them more powerful and longer lasting. One solution would be for him to not encase the skimmer, and in this case he can add a skimmer extension. This would also incur additional labor that was not priced in the original deal. Another proposed solution would be to use 12" coping, and have the blue stone overhang the pool by 2" (instead of 1.5"). What do you guys think?

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    Re: Vinyl Pools and Skimmer Lids

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    My vinyl has a skimmer extension, and the skimmer is set into the concrete patio.
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    Re: Vinyl Pools and Skimmer Lids

    I don't buy the additional labor, as he'd be leaving out a bunch of concrete and rebar and adding a throat extension. The plumbing and excavation would be the same.
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    Re: Vinyl Pools and Skimmer Lids

    Do you think the 2" overhang on the blue stone coping is too much?

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    Re: Vinyl Pools and Skimmer Lids

    Im of the opinion to agree with Bama Ramber.

    This is your pool and if you like your 14" coping instead of 12, and dont want it cut, then that's what you should get.
    I also see no reason the extension cant be cast in concrete. Its is indeed minimal and in the overall scope of the project, a very minor detail.




    Quote Originally Posted by zombyw00f View Post
    The PB explained that he encases the skimmers in concrete which will make them more powerful and longer lasting. One solution would be for him to not encase the skimmer, and in this case he can add a skimmer extension. This would also incur additional labor that was not priced in the original deal. Another proposed solution would be to use 12" coping, and have the blue stone overhang the pool by 2" (instead of 1.5"). What do you guys think?
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    Re: Vinyl Pools and Skimmer Lids

    If the forms that he uses are for a particular size of skimmer, how would he be able to encase the extension in concrete?

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    Re: Vinyl Pools and Skimmer Lids

    I cut a piece of travertine as a lid. It blends in and I have no white lid.
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    Re: Vinyl Pools and Skimmer Lids

    Apologies for overlooking this question yesterday.
    For me personally, I wouldnt want the overhang .. because it will interfere with my cleaning robot which climbs the walls.
    I dont like the look of too much overhang either.

    However, other than that, Im not aware of anything actually wrong with it. I suppose its more about personal likes and dislikes.


    Quote Originally Posted by zombyw00f View Post
    Do you think the 2" overhang on the blue stone coping is too much?
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    An overhang on a vinyl pool helps hide the liner track and make it look more like a gunite pool. Take something (preferably a piece of the coping) and compare 1 1/2" to 2" and see what you think. Also imagine a kid swimming up the side of the wall and popping up with the overhang right in their face. 2" might be too much.
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    Re: Vinyl Pools and Skimmer Lids

    Quote Originally Posted by zombyw00f View Post
    The PB explained that he encases the skimmers in concrete which will make them more powerful ...... What do you guys think?
    More powerful? I smell BS.

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    Re: Vinyl Pools and Skimmer Lids

    Don't let the builder bully you into something you don't want. You have to live with the result not him.
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