Become a TFP Supporter Pool Math Forum Rules Pool School
Results 1 to 13 of 13

Thread: Brand new home owner, with saltwater pool troubles

  1. Back To Top    #1

    Join Date
    May 2015
    Location
    Redding, CA
    Posts
    6

    Brand new home owner, with saltwater pool troubles

    Hello all, new to the forum, also a new pool owner. I have never had a pool and bought a house that has a salt water pool. We have only owned it for 4 days and decided to check on thepool. It seems there was some mismanagement by the prior owner. I will give you rundown of the equipment and the chemistry. I am having all sorts of issues.

    Pool is:

    30000 gallon
    Gunite
    Saltwater chemistry
    Water is pretty clear

    Chemistry as tested at Leslie's:

    FAC 0
    TAC 0
    Salt 600 ppm
    CH 90 ppm
    CYA 0
    TA 80
    pH 8

    Iron and Copper are both 0
    Phosphates is 300 ppb

    Now for the equipment issues:

    Aquapure 1400 throws the following service codes

    144 - low salinity (seems obvious given the low salt level)
    172 - Flow Sensor Service
    186 - Flow Salinity Sensor/temperature probe error

    I guess my main question is, could the lack of salt be the reason for all of the codes. My thinking is the sensors require higher salinity to function properly. It has no chlorine, so I am going to throw some acid to bring pH down and shock to get some chlorine in there.

    Thanks in advance for helping the new guy out.

  2. Back To Top    #2
    JasonLion's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Silver Spring, MD
    Posts
    37,879

    Re: Brand new home owner, with saltwater pool troubles

    Welcome to TFP!

    It is not normal to get errors 172 and 186 just because the salt level is low. Those errors typically mean you need to replace the sensor module, though they can sometimes mean that there is some problem with the sensor cable or connections.

    You need some CYA to be able to take care of the pool, with or without a SWG. I recommend raising CYA into the 30 to 40 range for now, and then go higher when you have the SWG working again.

    There is no need to shock as long as the water is clear and there is no visible algae. Tonight and each evening until 24 hours after adding CYA, add 2 ppm of chlorine.
    19K gal, vinyl, 1/2 HP WhisperFlo pump, 200 sqft cartridge filter, AutoPilot Digital SWG, Dolphin Dynamic cleaning robot
    Creator of PoolMath and Pool Calculator. Other handy links: Support this site, TF Test Kits, Pool School

  3. Back To Top    #3

    Join Date
    May 2015
    Location
    Redding, CA
    Posts
    6

    Re: Brand new home owner, with saltwater pool troubles

    Man, I am seriously feeling overwhelmed. It looks like I will need some 60 pounds of hardness additive, around 600-700 lbs of salt, 4 pounds of acid, plus the CYA. I am ready to call a service to at least fix this abomination, since it looks like the sensor is needing to be replaced too.
    16x32, 20000 gallon Freeform Gunite/Pebble Tec, Aquapure 1400 SWG, Stone waterfall.

  4. Back To Top    #4
    Mod Squad pooldv's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    DFW, TX
    Posts
    23,999

    Re: Brand new home owner, with saltwater pool troubles

    Hi, welcome to TFP.
    Yes, lower ph to around 7.5 and get some chlorine in there before the algae shows up.

    Here are some links to some intro articles in Pool School.
    TFPC for Beginners
    ABC's of Pool Water Chemistry

    This is the Water Balance for SWCGs

    Get a good test kit from tftestkits.net, Test Kit Comparison

    And finally, here is some info on updating your signature, What we need to know to answer your questions

    After you get all that memorized come back for more!
    TFP Moderator
    If TFP helped you or saved you money - Become a TFP Supporter! <--Click here
    2012 build and pics, 20k gal gunite, black onyx pebblesheen, OK flagstone, IntellifoVS, cart filter w/Pleatco, IC40 SWG, Solartouch, 5 12'x4' solar panels, HP50HA heat pump, 8mil solar cover, borates, TF-100 test kit, SONOS, Doheny's Discovery Robot, hot tub on bleach

  5. Back To Top    #5
    Beens's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Virginia Beach, Va
    Posts
    1,171

    Re: Brand new home owner, with saltwater pool troubles

    What you really need is a good test kit...(see the link pooldv posted) and TFP!



    There are a lot of people here that can and will help step by step! (Since your pool equipment is out of my realm of knowlege...I can help with encouragement and cheerleading!)

    It's always overwhelming at first. It's a lot to learn all at once. After a little while it settles down and it really is very simple. You just have to get over that initial shock.

    We all had to start somewhere! I started with a nasty green mucky pool with foam on it.
    18' x 48" (42" water depth) Intex Metal Frame 6,700 Gallons
    Hayward Power-Flo LX 1.0 HP pump
    Hayward Pro Series S166T Sand Filter
    Original Intex Floating Skimmer

  6. Back To Top    #6
    Mod Squad pooldv's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    DFW, TX
    Posts
    23,999

    Re: Brand new home owner, with saltwater pool troubles

    Quote Originally Posted by scottyb View Post
    Man, I am seriously feeling overwhelmed. It looks like I will need some 60 pounds of hardness additive, around 600-700 lbs of salt, 4 pounds of acid, plus the CYA. I am ready to call a service to at least fix this abomination, since it looks like the sensor is needing to be replaced too.
    Yes, it is a lot to take in at first. But, it really isn't all that difficult. There are just a few things to monitor and work on.

    #1 is chlorine, you must have chlorine in your pool at all times or algae will grow. When I am not using saltwater chlorination I use Kroger brand concentrated bleach, 8.25%, no easypour, splashless or scents. Plain old bleach.
    #2 is PH, needs to be between 7.2 and 7.8. Add muriatic acid to lower it and Borax from the grocery store to raise it.

    The rest of the chemistry we can work on in coming days/weeks.

    Add bleach, like Jason described above, order a test kit and start reading. Pretty soon your pool will be in great shape.
    TFP Moderator
    If TFP helped you or saved you money - Become a TFP Supporter! <--Click here
    2012 build and pics, 20k gal gunite, black onyx pebblesheen, OK flagstone, IntellifoVS, cart filter w/Pleatco, IC40 SWG, Solartouch, 5 12'x4' solar panels, HP50HA heat pump, 8mil solar cover, borates, TF-100 test kit, SONOS, Doheny's Discovery Robot, hot tub on bleach

  7. Back To Top    #7
    Mod Squad kimkats's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Tallahassee, FL
    Posts
    26,734

    Re: Brand new home owner, with saltwater pool troubles

    You can do it with us here at TFP without the extra cost of a service that might do more harm than good. Use that money to buy your own test kit. We can and will teach you everything you need to know to keep your pool clear.

    -buy pool
    -find TFP
    -buy test kit-
    -Find good source for chlorine or bleach (for some it is Walmart, others close pool store, other ACE Hardward) Just make sure it is plain, unscented bleach)
    -use test kit and post results here

    Kim
    TFP Moderator 33x52 round AG 25,600 gals Sand Filter 1.5hp Pump - 2 Speed, SLAM, Pool School, Recommended Levels, Recommended Chemicals, Pool Math, Chlorine/CYA Chart, TF-100 Test Kit

  8. Back To Top    #8
    Mod Squad YippeeSkippy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    'burbs of Augusta, Georgia
    Posts
    6,491

    Re: Brand new home owner, with saltwater pool troubles

    There is a PoolMath ap/calculator here ( http://www.troublefreepool.com/calc.html ) that helps you determine how much of each chemical you need to add. Based on a 30,000 gal pool, starting at zero chlorine you need to add 90 ounces of 8.25% bleach (most common strength of household bleach) each day to give you 2 ppm of chlorine. When you get your test kit (I like the TF-100 (link in my siggy line) best. Until you get the SWG up and running, add the regular bleach each day to ward of algae.
    The pool WILL get easier and easier to take care of when you learn whats going on with it via your own testing and care.

    Yippee
    My Amazon Smile for November12K Fiberglass IG, Infinity 4000 automatic cover, SWCG, Hayward Sand Filter, Hayward 1.5 Pump, Doheny Discovery Robot, Savi Melody LED pool lights, outdoor speakers and other assorted doo-dads. Sundance Altamar Hot Tub.
    Our pool build--> Our Pool Solved Our Sloping Yard Skippy's Cheap Pool Cooler -->Skippy's New Fountain

  9. Back To Top    #9

    Join Date
    May 2015
    Location
    Redding, CA
    Posts
    6

    Re: Brand new home owner, with saltwater pool troubles

    So, I have a new flow sensor ordered, everything I see in the unit points to that. So, we will see how that goes once it comes in.

    On a second note, does anybody make any liquid CYA? Seriously, the dry takes forever to dissolve. Not being able to let it sit on the bottom means 20 minutes of be constantly brushing it off the bottom.
    16x32, 20000 gallon Freeform Gunite/Pebble Tec, Aquapure 1400 SWG, Stone waterfall.

  10. Back To Top    #10
    Mod Squad tim5055's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Location
    Columbia, SC
    Posts
    8,499

    Re: Brand new home owner, with saltwater pool troubles

    Quote Originally Posted by scottyb View Post
    So, I have a new flow sensor ordered, everything I see in the unit points to that. So, we will see how that goes once it comes in.

    On a second note, does anybody make any liquid CYA? Seriously, the dry takes forever to dissolve. Not being able to let it sit on the bottom means 20 minutes of be constantly brushing it off the bottom.
    We actually recommend the solid. Just put in in an old sock and either put the sock in a skimmer or hang it in front of a return. The liquid is very expensive.
    TFP Moderator 39 X 18 23,000(ish) freeform gunite; built 2007ish; Pentair Triton II TR100 600lb Sand filter; 2 HP Pentair pump with 2.2 HP AO Smith single speed motor; 2 skimmers, 1 main drain, 4 returns w/waterfall, Stenner 45MHP2 3GPD running@ 60% - 15 gal Tank; heated by the sun CYA 200+ when I started - 50 now. Dolphin Supreme M5 Pool Cleaner. Hot Springs SX Spa, 285 gallon

  11. Back To Top    #11
    Mod Squad pooldv's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    DFW, TX
    Posts
    23,999

    Re: Brand new home owner, with saltwater pool troubles

    Give the sock a squeeze a couple of times a day to speed it up.
    TFP Moderator
    If TFP helped you or saved you money - Become a TFP Supporter! <--Click here
    2012 build and pics, 20k gal gunite, black onyx pebblesheen, OK flagstone, IntellifoVS, cart filter w/Pleatco, IC40 SWG, Solartouch, 5 12'x4' solar panels, HP50HA heat pump, 8mil solar cover, borates, TF-100 test kit, SONOS, Doheny's Discovery Robot, hot tub on bleach

  12. Back To Top    #12

    Join Date
    May 2015
    Location
    Redding, CA
    Posts
    6

    Re: Brand new home owner, with saltwater pool troubles

    Flow sensor took care of the SWG problem. So know with that working and some CYA in there, I am in business. Just tweaking it in now. Thanks for the help guys.
    16x32, 20000 gallon Freeform Gunite/Pebble Tec, Aquapure 1400 SWG, Stone waterfall.

  13. Back To Top    #13

    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    Peoria, IL
    Posts
    389

    Re: Brand new home owner, with saltwater pool troubles

    Quote Originally Posted by scottyb View Post
    Flow sensor took care of the SWG problem. So know with that working and some CYA in there, I am in business. Just tweaking it in now. Thanks for the help guys.
    Good deal. Time to get some cya in there and get a good test kit. Now that you know that your SWG is working you will want to bring cya up to 70 or so if you plan on sticking with saltwater. A little bleach or liquid chlorine will not hurt until the SWG can catch up.


    30x20 vinyl IG, Hayward SD60 with Pentair Dynamo 340219 2HP pump, Compupool CPSC24 SWG, Hayward H200FDN heater. APC automatic pool cover.
    Central Illinois

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •