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    Rescued Pool from a foreclosure in Northern Indiana

    My wife and I bought a foreclosure in May of 2012. It had a "pool" in the backyard. Apparently, it's common for the pools to be sabotaged as part of an FHA foreclosure. I wasn't a big fan of the idea/expense of a pool, but the house, location, and five-acres had me sold. I secretly hoped I could someday hope to convince her to let me fill it in. In April of 2015, after getting another round of quotes, and getting two that didn't make my want to pass out, I finally conceded and signed off on it. I know pool work is extremely seasonal in our area, but I'm still shocked at how much cheaper it was in early April versus June-August when I had previously had it quoted. I was able to get the vermiculite surface completely re-skimmed and a 27-mil liner installed for just a hair under $3000.

    I attempted to document the whole process in this set of photos on my Flickr account. For those who don't want to see the whole process...

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    Fast forward just two weeks: the pool company has repaired the vermiculite surface and installed the liner, I've replaced/repaired a bunch of the plumbing, the pool was filled from our municipal supply, and all the equipment has been running for a few days now. I'm moving on to "pool school" - we both grew up around pools but have never had the joy/pleasure of maintaining one, so we need to learn about proper cleaning, chemistry, etc. The idea of TFPC is super-appealing to me. I did visit a local shop late last week and had the water sampled after the initial 24-48 hours of circulation:

    Water temp: 58
    Total Chlorine: .1
    Free Chlorine: .1
    Total Alkalinity: 221
    pH 7.9
    CYA: 0
    Hardness: 341

    They sell Bioguard stuff... so $270 later, I was out the door with 6 lbs of stabilzer/acid, 16 lbs of LoNSlo, some scale inhibitor, algaecide, four 1 lb bags of their Burn Out shock, and of course an expensive 25 lb tub of 3" Silk tablets. I dumped in the stuff in the recommended order... the CYA, then algaecide & scale inhibitor, then started adding a few pounds of LoNSlo every afternoon for a few days. Three of the 3" tablets are in the CL200 chlorine feeder too with it set to about the 50% dosing position. I have NOT added the shock yet. Over the weekend, I found you guys and have ordered the Taylor 2006 test kit, but it's still a few days out. Took a fresh sample to the store this morning and was pretty happy with the readings:

    Total Chlorine: .9
    Free Chlorine: .9
    Total Alkalinity: 158
    pH 7.1
    CYA: 44
    Hardness: 319

    So, I'm looking to learn from you guys. I'm still reading and re-reading the TFPC and playing around with PoolMath, but curious where you'd suggest I go from here. I know I need to get the FC and pH up just a bit. I've got a 25 lb bucket of the 3" tabs that can't be returned, so do I stick with "traditional" method of supplying chlorine until those run thin and start stocking up on bleach in the meantime? From what I've gathered here already, the algaecide and scale inhibitor are pointless?

    Thanks in advance - Looking forward to learning and hopefully at some point - contributing back!

    -Justin

    PS - Don't tell my wife, but I already like having the pool - even though we're probably at least a month out from comfortable water temps. The backyard atmosphere is so much more relaxing already.
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    Re: Rescued Pool from a foreclosure in Northern Indiana

    Welcome to TFP!!

    Well, it is going to be hard to give advice based on those questionable test results.
    The CYA level appears to be good where it is so the continued used of tablets is not recommended.

    Unfortunately most of what you bought is stuff that we would never recommend or way overpriced. Too bad you did not find us before entering the pool store.

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    Re: Rescued Pool from a foreclosure in Northern Indiana

    Have to agree, but welcome to TFP!

    Glad to have you aboard.
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    Re: Rescued Pool from a foreclosure in Northern Indiana

    Welcome to TFP! TFPC is even cheaper and easier than what you are doing now. Read up on those links. My wife really appreciates how hard I work to keep the pool sparkling and clear!
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    Re: Rescued Pool from a foreclosure in Northern Indiana

    Quote Originally Posted by jblizzle View Post
    Welcome to TFP!!

    Well, it is going to be hard to give advice based on those questionable test results.
    The CYA level appears to be good where it is so the continued used of tablets is not recommended.

    Unfortunately most of what you bought is stuff that we would never recommend or way overpriced. Too bad you did not find us before entering the pool store.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick_B View Post
    Have to agree, but welcome to TFP!

    Glad to have you aboard.


    ^^^^^^^What they said

    Welcome!!
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    Re: Rescued Pool from a foreclosure in Northern Indiana

    So, just to recap...

    1) Get the Tablet$ out of the feeder
    2) Wait for the test kit
    3) Come back soon with my own results.

    Thanks guys. See ya soon(ish).
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    Re: Rescued Pool from a foreclosure in Northern Indiana

    You got it.
    I would add about 2-3ppm of FC every day using bleach until you kit arrives. PoolMath will calculate how much that is for you.
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    Re: Rescued Pool from a foreclosure in Northern Indiana

    Looks great compared to where you started. I too live where pool workers are seasonal. And getting in before everyone else wants opened or after everyone else is closed makes for great deals generally.
    As Jason said, add some bleach or LC daily until the test kit arrives and report back with full results.



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    Re: Rescued Pool from a foreclosure in Northern Indiana

    Test kit is in and I did an initial test last night.

    FC 1.2
    CC .6
    PH 7
    TA 160

    Think I'm going to build a little aerator today and add some chlorine.


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    Re: Rescued Pool from a foreclosure in Northern Indiana

    Did you test CYA today? The shock and tabs they sold you may have brought it up a little.

    Get some more chlorine in there. I'll call your CYA 50, and at 50 you should never go below 4 and target 6.
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    Re: Rescued Pool from a foreclosure in Northern Indiana

    Well hello there! So glad you found the best pool web site ever-TFP! You will LOVE it here!

    The tablets will keep forever if you keep them dry. They are good for weekend get aways and such. They are a good thing IF you understand what they will add to your pool when/if you use them. Read the links given above and you will learn how everything works together to make your pool sparkle.

    Did you test your CYA? It is a hard one to do. You can retest the same water over and over while you learn.
    -Go out into full sun.
    -Hold the tube at waist level.
    -Turn your back to the sun.
    -pour test water and stop when you cannot see the black dot.

    Good luck and let us know how we can help!

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    Re: Rescued Pool from a foreclosure in Northern Indiana

    I looked at your photos. Nice job! Has Java been in yet???

    Do you know about skimmer socks? They can help with the dog fur. Here is a link talking about using knee highs.

    http://www.troublefreepool.com/threa...f-skimmer-sock

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    Re: Rescued Pool from a foreclosure in Northern Indiana

    Oops - I did test CYA, but it was indoors last night. It was somewhere in the 40-50 range, which is pretty consistent with what the local store reported last week and also consistent with the amount of dry acid I added after the initial fill.

    Dogs haven't hit the water yet and I'm trying to prolong it as long as possible. I'm worried that once they discover it's allowed we won't be able to keep them out!

    As far as socks, I have a 100-pack of "spun" hair nets on the way from Amazon. Allegedly way more durable than the nylon stockings once exposed the chlorine.


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    Re: Rescued Pool from a foreclosure in Northern Indiana

    How trainable are they? Can you train them using the word "pool" and that is the only time they would go in? Do they have a good leave it command?

    I was able to train my mastiff/lab mix for the pond using the words pond and leave it.

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    Re: Rescued Pool from a foreclosure in Northern Indiana

    Use a 10ml water sample when doing the FAS-DPD chlorine test so each drop is 0.5ppm .. it will save your reagent, which you do not have much of since you got the K-2006.
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    Re: Rescued Pool from a foreclosure in Northern Indiana

    Hello,
    Welcome to the Forum. That is a beutiful pool. I have a 70's era inground pool that one day will need the type of service you had done (re-coating of the vermiculite) with a new liner. I am in the Chicago area and it is possible your pool company may venture that far. I had a few compaines look at mine 2 years ago and many were uncertain or unfamiliar with the type and more importantly the age of my pool.
    Are you willing to share the company that did the work?

    Thanks !
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    Re: Rescued Pool from a foreclosure in Northern Indiana

    Finally spent some time on the pool today and even gave The Mrs a brief TFPC tutorial. She's coming around... Water temp is up to a "balmy" 55. Brrrr! New numbers after sunset tonight...

    FC: 6.5
    CC: .5
    pH: 7.2
    TA: 170
    CYA: 50

    I built this earlier from some stuff I had in my PVC bin.and have been running it for a few hours with no measurable drop in TA yet.

    Might need more aggressive aeration and drop the pH a bit more to get that TA down.

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    Re: Rescued Pool from a foreclosure in Northern Indiana

    Aeration in itself will not lower the TA. Aeration increases pH, then adding acid to bring the pH back down is what lowers the TA. I have found that lowering TA is not a fast process. I have spent a few months bringing mine from 90 to 70. I find that lowering TA is not a fast process, because you have the repeat the cycles of aeration/acid addition quite a few times. PoolMath at the bottom (Effect of adding chemicals) can give you some idea of how many gallons of muriatic acid you'll eventually need to go through. You can only add an amount of muriatic acid during each cycle that keeps you within the recommended pH limits.
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