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    Electric heat pump is the winner !! Now which one and what size .....

    Hello all,

    Thanks to all, between the good people on this site and some exhausting internet searches/reads and phone calls/visits to various pool companies in the area I decided the heat pump would be best for me.

    I have basically narrowed it down to two makes, aquacal and aquacomfort.

    Does anybody have any experiences, comments, options with or about these companies ?

    Also I don't understand something, and this happened with both vendors I am dealing with.

    When I was considering going propane, every pool company I spoke to always offer the biggest propane heater they had the 400,000 BTU unit.

    Would it not make sense to buy the biggest heat pump unit also ? both makes mentioned above have a 140,000 BTU unit but both companies are offering me the 125,000 BTU unit.

    Just wondering why bigger isn't better ? more BTU's more heat
    Fatcat07
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    Re: Electric heat pump is the winner !! Now which one and what size .....

    Look into this one for comparison. http://www.poolsupplyworld.com/Haywa...p/HP21404T.htm
    20X36 IG vinyl (18,000 gal), 3 sheer descents, Max-Flo 1.5hp VS 2300, Aquarite T15 SWG, C3030 filter, 250,000 BTU heater, Sharkvac XL (Hayward equip)

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    Re: Electric heat pump is the winner !! Now which one and what size .....

    Thanks Donny ....

    I did look into that one when Leslie's keep trying to sell me the Hayward Heat Master (another instance of trying to sell me the smaller unit) ?? I asked the sales rep why I couldn't buy the bigger unit and was told the Heat Pro has 2 inch pipes but your pool has 1 1/2 pipes ??? Would that make it not usable for me ? I ask the sales rep why I couldn't just use a pipe reducer/expander and he couldn't answer.

    This whole transaction with Leslie's left a bad taste in my mouth ... They have the unit at $4800, I found it at a different website for $1500 less and they would not price match.

    Anyway, this brings up another question, if I do decide to buy it thru the internet is this a DYI type item ? I mean I would have an electrician do the electrical part, run the 220v/50 amp connection to where my filter/pump is located but to install seems pretty straight forward pipe in ...pipe out ... plug in ....
    Fatcat07
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    Hayward Filter DE2420 - 24 sq ft (I think)
    Hayward pump - Not sure of the model number
    Suffolk, long Island

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    Re: Electric heat pump is the winner !! Now which one and what size .....

    Definitely shop around!!! Prices are all over the place. You could use a 2" x 1 1/2" reducer fitting to match your existing pipe.
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    Re: Electric heat pump is the winner !! Now which one and what size .....

    If you are familiar and comfortable with plumbing then yes the plumbing is definitely DIY. And yes you can get 1-1/2" to 2" reducers to plumb it. It is not "plug in" though, it is hard wired directly to the breaker.

    I also agree with you that getting the bigger model is best, your pool is pretty big.

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    Also agree on shopping around, but be sure to factor in shipping costs.
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    Re: Electric heat pump is the winner !! Now which one and what size .....

    Yes I agree with pooldv, the plumbing is a DIY project. Is the Heat Master an older version ??? They want a lot of money for that unit.
    20X36 IG vinyl (18,000 gal), 3 sheer descents, Max-Flo 1.5hp VS 2300, Aquarite T15 SWG, C3030 filter, 250,000 BTU heater, Sharkvac XL (Hayward equip)

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    Re: Electric heat pump is the winner !! Now which one and what size .....

    Thanks Donny and pooldv .....

    From what I have seen on most of the pool websites I have visited they offer free shipping and no sales tax ....

    So if it has to be hard wired I will make sure I have the unit before the electricity is ran, and I think I can install it. If I run into any issue I guess I could always call the professionals
    Fatcat07
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    Hayward Filter DE2420 - 24 sq ft (I think)
    Hayward pump - Not sure of the model number
    Suffolk, long Island

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    Re: Electric heat pump is the winner !! Now which one and what size .....

    Looks like a good plan!
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    Re: Electric heat pump is the winner !! Now which one and what size .....

    Quote Originally Posted by fatcat07 View Post
    Thanks Donny and pooldv .....

    From what I have seen on most of the pool websites I have visited they offer free shipping and no sales tax ....

    So if it has to be hard wired I will make sure I have the unit before the electricity is ran, and I think I can install it. If I run into any issue I guess I could always call the professionals
    Exactly what I would do.
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    Re: Electric heat pump is the winner !! Now which one and what size .....

    Yes ... Hayward doesn't even sell that model anymore and I can't find it for sale on ANY website.

    I'm not sure why Leslie's is the only company that has it and it just looks to me like they are trying to unload a surplus of end of life heat pumps
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    Re: Electric heat pump is the winner !! Now which one and what size .....

    Sounds like it, that explains why they are pushing it so hard! More pool store wrong product for the job!
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    Re: Electric heat pump is the winner !! Now which one and what size .....

    Quote Originally Posted by fatcat07 View Post
    Yes ... Hayward doesn't even sell that model anymore and I can't find it for sale on ANY website.

    I'm not sure why Leslie's is the only company that has it and it just looks to me like they are trying to unload a surplus of end of life heat pumps
    I though so. Heat Pro seems to be the current model.
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    Electric heat pump is the winner !! Now which one and what size .....

    I'm in the exactly same boat as you, going with a heat pump as well. I'm finishing up with an additional 60amp service right now and will be purchasing the heat pump within next couple days. I was initially looking at the Jandy heat pumps as all my equipment is Jandy, but now just about settled on the Rheem heater. I have few friends all using this unit and are pretty happy wit them. Anyone using them on here?
    Here's the heat pump I'm looking at. Just still need to decide if I want to do a 125k btu or 113 as I don't have a large pool.

    Here's the heater I'm looking at
    http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item...d=300834001701


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    Re: Electric heat pump is the winner !! Now which one and what size .....

    So I have an aquacal and it rocks...though I did not do the install, I could have.

    Only trick was adjusting the flow so it heats on low speed of my pump.

    Then if you could, get the BIGGEST one you can afford, more BTU's the faster (at no additional electricity cost) to heat your pool (other than initial investment)

    You don't need the super quiet ones, unless your HP is super close to the pool and a bit of noise bothers you. But the regular one is dang quiet at the house and in the pool you hardly hear it.
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    Electric heat pump is the winner !! Now which one and what size .....

    Quote Originally Posted by fatcat07 View Post
    Thanks Donny and pooldv .....

    From what I have seen on most of the pool websites I have visited they offer free shipping and no sales tax ....

    So if it has to be hard wired I will make sure I have the unit before the electricity is ran, and I think I can install it. If I run into any issue I guess I could always call the professionals
    Which website is that, few that I looked at that had good prices, all want $150+ for shipping. Did you pull the trigger yet?


    19200gl rectangular gunite/diamondbrite perl pool || Coverpools auto cover || Jandy variable speed 2hp e-pump & Polaris PB4-60 booster pump || Polaris 3900 sport cleaner || Jandy CV filter || Jandy AqualinkRS8 w/Aqualink touch || Jandy iAqualink2.0 || Jandy Watercolors LED || Jandy AquaPure 1400 SWCG || Hayward auto chlorinator (backup) || Raypak 117k BTU heat pump

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    Re: Electric heat pump is the winner !! Now which one and what size .....

    Quote Originally Posted by Azmp1 View Post
    Which website is that, few that I looked at that had good prices, all want $150+ for shipping. Did you pool the trigger yet?
    The website I was on was "Inyo Pool", but the heat pump I'm getting (SQ175) cost the same on the website and at the pool company except the company has a $200 off sale going on, so I'm going to the pool company Sunday to finalize my purchase.

    So no I haven't pulled the trigger yet, I'm still getting estimates for the electric had a guy come by yesterday and quote me $2900 so far I have 1 guy at $750 with me digging the trench and another at $2900 but at least I'm not digging.

    I'm waiting to speak with the electrician the pool company deals with and scheduling a estimate, hopefully he will give me a good quote. If he doesn't, I will schedule some more estimates because whatever happens I am swimming in hot/warm water this season.

    The electricity is going to get ran just a question of who and at what price ....

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    In ground pool
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    18 X 36 Pool size
    30,000 Gallons
    Hayward Filter DE2420 - 24 sq ft (I think)
    Hayward pump - Not sure of the model number
    Suffolk, long Island

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    Re: Electric heat pump is the winner !! Now which one and what size .....

    I have the 140k BTU Hayward HeatPro and am very happy with it. I agree, bigger is better. It just means more heat quicker. Of course, more space is needed and slightly more electric. But given the output, it's pretty big, but surprising quiet for its size. About the size of a 5 ton AC condenser.

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    Re: Electric heat pump is the winner !! Now which one and what size .....

    Quote Originally Posted by steveg_nh View Post
    I have the 140k BTU Hayward HeatPro and am very happy with it. I agree, bigger is better. It just means more heat quicker. Of course, more space is needed and slightly more electric. But given the output, it's pretty big, but surprising quiet for its size. About the size of a 5 ton AC condenser.

    http://www.hayward-pool.com/shop/en/...-btus-hp21404t
    Azmp1, the HeatPro that steve_ng has is actually cheaper on the "inyo Pool" website:

    http://www.inyopools.com/Products/02200014058160.htm

    Than it is at Leslies:

    http://www.lesliespool.com/hayward-h...mp/heatpro.htm

    After my experience with Leslie's I just decided to go a different way and I have heard good thinks about Aqua Cal ...
    Fatcat07
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    18 X 36 Pool size
    30,000 Gallons
    Hayward Filter DE2420 - 24 sq ft (I think)
    Hayward pump - Not sure of the model number
    Suffolk, long Island

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donny View Post
    @fatcat07 , I have that exact hp for my pool on long island. Works awesome! Dont worry about the pipe size, thats what reducers are made for. Its a very quiet unit. I installed it myself, took about 4 or 5 hours. Slow and steady. I fortunately found mine brand new in box locally for $1800!!!! I def recomend this unit. The bigger, the better for the pool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fatcat07 View Post
    The website I was on was "Inyo Pool", but the heat pump I'm getting (SQ175) cost the same on the website and at the pool company except the company has a $200 off sale going on, so I'm going to the pool company Sunday to finalize my purchase.

    So no I haven't pulled the trigger yet, I'm still getting estimates for the electric had a guy come by yesterday and quote me $2900 so far I have 1 guy at $750 with me digging the trench and another at $2900 but at least I'm not digging.

    I'm waiting to speak with the electrician the pool company deals with and scheduling a estimate, hopefully he will give me a good quote. If he doesn't, I will schedule some more estimates because whatever happens I am swimming in hot/warm water this season.

    The electricity is going to get ran just a question of who and at what price ....

    Memorial Day BBQ blowout with warm/hot water
    Rent a "ditch witch" It will make a trench for you, and only cost about $100 for the day. Then hire that electrician for the $750. Im in suffolk, I could maybe help you hook up the unit if you are close.
    14000 gallon 16x32 roman in ground vinyl, Hayward 140k heat pump, swg, de filter 1 1\2 HP v.s. pump. Built in June 2014. Tf100 test kit.

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