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    First season with pool

    Good evening everyone. So the house I bought came with a pool and this is my first season with it. Have read a lot on here and have a good idea of what I need to do. I have ordered the TF100 xl test, put pump and filter back together and have started slaming. Pool was not used last season and was very dark green when I started. Only have test strips until test gets here but think I'm close on my levels. So far I have put 12 gallons of 12.5% in since yesterday afternoon. Have CYA in sock increasing level and ph/TA are a little low. Water is currently milky gray. Can't forget I have blindly cleaned the bottom with rake. Think it's pretty good.

    Noticed on multi port valve the diffuser tabs are broken and it does not stay on. Is this a big deal? Can I just glue it back on? I put new sand in, that's how I noticed.

    I was vacuuming today on filtration and noticed a lot of green gunk coming out return back into the pool. Is this normal with heavy algae or might something be mechanically wrong?

    I'm sure I will have many more questions, but that's it for now. Thank you in advance for any help that can be offered. I'm looking forward to this pool adventure.
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    Re: First season with pool

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    Nothing visible should come back into the pool when in filter mode. If you are getting green gunk and the multi-port is on filter then something is going wrong. Unfortunately, there are a could of different possibilities for what might be happening. This could be a problem with the multi-port valve, or the sand might be channeled, or there could be something broken inside the filter.
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    Re: First season with pool

    Welcome!

    I'm not familiar with which part you're asking about in the multiport. If it's part of the rotor, where the gasket sits, that could be why you see blowby. It's easier to send dirty water back than it is to go through the filter. What brand is the multiport? Maybe you can find an exploded diagram somewhere?

    As far as testing with strips... check this thread from today: http://www.troublefreepool.com/threa...kits-vs-strips
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    Re: First season with pool

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    Object that looks like screen on bottom is the diffuser. I guess it simply distributes water instead of spraying out one area.

    From my understanding of how filter works, in filtration mode water comes in from top, is forced throughg the sand and returns via the lateral. With that said, I would believe the multi port is allowing water return without going through the sand? That's why I see see **** coming out of return.

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    440 gallon Emerald spa. Currently a 3.6hp, 2 speed, 46y, 240volts motor. Changing to a 3hp, 2 speed, 56y, 240volt motor.

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    First season with pool

    You're right about the diffuser part. It makes the water flow more like a shower head instead of a jet stream. I would glue the tabs back on if you have them, or order another part. It sounds like something inside is messed up allowing dirty water back to the pool. No way to know exactly what without taking the top off.

    You're making good progress in the pool.

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    I have managed to lite the pilot on heater, but it does not seem to ever kick on and start heating water. Any ideas on this issue? I was thinking something to do with thermostat?
    34x18 doughboy (desert springs) above ground. Has deep end, but don't know depth yet. Pool came with house (first season). 22in sand filter (250lbs sand)with 1.5hp two speed pump. Pentair MiniMax ch 200m heater.
    440 gallon Emerald spa. Currently a 3.6hp, 2 speed, 46y, 240volts motor. Changing to a 3hp, 2 speed, 56y, 240volt motor.

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    I was just thinking about my filter issue and remembered that my PSI on low speed reads 1-2. On high it reads 10-12. Is this normal? or could it also mean that water is coming out without going through sand which is why I have a low PSI on low speed?
    34x18 doughboy (desert springs) above ground. Has deep end, but don't know depth yet. Pool came with house (first season). 22in sand filter (250lbs sand)with 1.5hp two speed pump. Pentair MiniMax ch 200m heater.
    440 gallon Emerald spa. Currently a 3.6hp, 2 speed, 46y, 240volts motor. Changing to a 3hp, 2 speed, 56y, 240volt motor.

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    That is perfectly normal. Low speed will have a lower pressure than high speed. The actual pressure is all relative to your pool equipment. They will all be different depending on what equipment a person has. I have a 1.5hp single speed pump and my clean pressure is 15psi.


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    Re: First season with pool

    Just got home from the pool store. I had my water tested because I do not have my tf100 yet.

    FC 14.04
    CC 2.93
    PH 8
    TA 93
    CYA 2

    They wanted to sell me algaecide ($30), but I said no thanks. I assume I should stick to just chlorine? Should I try to raise CYA during this period?
    Water is cloudy as seen above, but better than the green it was. Will the cloudiness go away on its own or is there something I should be doing?
    34x18 doughboy (desert springs) above ground. Has deep end, but don't know depth yet. Pool came with house (first season). 22in sand filter (250lbs sand)with 1.5hp two speed pump. Pentair MiniMax ch 200m heater.
    440 gallon Emerald spa. Currently a 3.6hp, 2 speed, 46y, 240volts motor. Changing to a 3hp, 2 speed, 56y, 240volt motor.

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    PH needs to be lowered to 7.5. CYA cannot be 2, tests cannot measure that closely. It is normally a number between 20 and 100.

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    Re: First season with pool

    Can't wait for test kit to get here. Hate not knowing what my levels are and feel like I'm probably wasting money and time. Water is seriously cloudy at this point, but blue tint. Both my vacuum head and brush have come off the pole and now I can't find either.

    Still not sure my sand filter is doing its job. Took multi port apart it looks structurally sound. Spider gasket does look pretty warn away. Will replace soon just in case. I have read other cloudy water threads and see that it can take a couple weeks to clear up I suppose I'm impatient.
    34x18 doughboy (desert springs) above ground. Has deep end, but don't know depth yet. Pool came with house (first season). 22in sand filter (250lbs sand)with 1.5hp two speed pump. Pentair MiniMax ch 200m heater.
    440 gallon Emerald spa. Currently a 3.6hp, 2 speed, 46y, 240volts motor. Changing to a 3hp, 2 speed, 56y, 240volt motor.

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    You should be able to see some improvement in the water each day, even if only a very slight change. Watching stairs or a ladder is most effective. As long as you see some change you are good. But if the water stops improving then something else is going on and more investigation is warranted.
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    Re: First season with pool

    Was just vacuuming again, fished out the vacuum head, and was thinking water was just a little bit more clear. So I suppose progress is slow and steady.
    34x18 doughboy (desert springs) above ground. Has deep end, but don't know depth yet. Pool came with house (first season). 22in sand filter (250lbs sand)with 1.5hp two speed pump. Pentair MiniMax ch 200m heater.
    440 gallon Emerald spa. Currently a 3.6hp, 2 speed, 46y, 240volts motor. Changing to a 3hp, 2 speed, 56y, 240volt motor.

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    Re: First season with pool

    Left hose in pool after filling. Water level dropped 1/4 inch in six hours. Did hose create siphon or do I have a leak now?
    34x18 doughboy (desert springs) above ground. Has deep end, but don't know depth yet. Pool came with house (first season). 22in sand filter (250lbs sand)with 1.5hp two speed pump. Pentair MiniMax ch 200m heater.
    440 gallon Emerald spa. Currently a 3.6hp, 2 speed, 46y, 240volts motor. Changing to a 3hp, 2 speed, 56y, 240volt motor.

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    Hard to say for sure. Take the hose out and see what happens.
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    So I refilled pool and took the hose out. Noted the level on the skimmer and waited out the same six hours. Water level did go down but only 1/8 inch approx. So I assume the hose was the problem. To be safe I turned off the pump for the night to be sure it does not end up running dry. 1/8 inch drop in six hours seem right?
    34x18 doughboy (desert springs) above ground. Has deep end, but don't know depth yet. Pool came with house (first season). 22in sand filter (250lbs sand)with 1.5hp two speed pump. Pentair MiniMax ch 200m heater.
    440 gallon Emerald spa. Currently a 3.6hp, 2 speed, 46y, 240volts motor. Changing to a 3hp, 2 speed, 56y, 240volt motor.

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    My test kit did not show up yesterday. So here I sit not knowing my levels still. I feel like progress has staled. Have been using test strips to at least have an idea of FC levels. Has been 3 days with pool still sitting milky gray (has not changed from pic above). Looking at other post, I see pools that appear worse than mine turning around already.
    34x18 doughboy (desert springs) above ground. Has deep end, but don't know depth yet. Pool came with house (first season). 22in sand filter (250lbs sand)with 1.5hp two speed pump. Pentair MiniMax ch 200m heater.
    440 gallon Emerald spa. Currently a 3.6hp, 2 speed, 46y, 240volts motor. Changing to a 3hp, 2 speed, 56y, 240volt motor.

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    You'll get it today hopefully. It is hard to sit and wait, but no worries, we'll be here when you are ready.
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    Yay, it finally arrived. First test with new tf100 results below.

    FC 15.5
    CC 1.5
    CYA <20
    TA 100
    PH 7.2
    CH 100

    I will take a look at poolmath to see how much CYA to add.
    34x18 doughboy (desert springs) above ground. Has deep end, but don't know depth yet. Pool came with house (first season). 22in sand filter (250lbs sand)with 1.5hp two speed pump. Pentair MiniMax ch 200m heater.
    440 gallon Emerald spa. Currently a 3.6hp, 2 speed, 46y, 240volts motor. Changing to a 3hp, 2 speed, 56y, 240volt motor.

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    Re: First season with pool

    Quote Originally Posted by Poolsteve View Post
    Yay, it finally arrived. First test with new tf100 results below.

    FC 15.5
    CC 1.5
    CYA <20
    TA 100
    PH 7.2
    CH 100

    I will take a look at poolmath to see how much CYA to add.
    Whoa!!

    With that high CC and the original coloration, a SLAM is called for. In which case, limit the CYA to about 30. Also note that your pH test is suspect due to the high FC levels, so don't adjust it until after the FC is below 10.
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