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    EcoStar SP3400VSP Flowrates?

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    How can I determine the actual (or a decent approximation) flow of my Hayward EcoStar SP3400VSP at various rpm ? Should I install a flow meter ?
    Having some difficulty interpreting the 'performance data' at the lower rpm. I estimate I average about 40' to 45' of pipe from the pool to the pump (drains & skimmers).

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    Re: EcoStar SP3400VSP Flowrates?

    Welcome to TFP!!!

    Why do you think you need the flow rates? They are generally unnecessary. If you are thinking something like "to determine turnover rate" ... forget about it and read: Determine Pump Run Time

    Determining the flow rate is much more difficult than just measuring the pipe length as your post implies.

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    Re: EcoStar SP3400VSP Flowrates?

    Welcome to TFP!

    Why do you need to know the flow rate? There aren't any common situations where you would need to know that.
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    Re: EcoStar SP3400VSP Flowrates?

    The rate of flow, whether it is in GPM or in Turnovers per Day (TpD) or liters per minute or whatever is essential to determine if you are moving enough water (or too much thus too much $) through your system. Somewhere I read I should aim at 3 TpD. Since I have a variable speed, I can spread out the flow, higher in the day and much lower at night to reduce the noise (pump is just outside my bedroom), or maybe even turn it off. Also, I have a UV light which recommends lower flow rates to allow the light enough time to kill the germs passing through. Or maybe I can run the pump fast, get the turnovers quick and turn it off for the rest of the day. I read the recommended link, but I am still in the dark as to how to run the pump.
    Yes, I am aware that is not easy to determine the flow, as very little is found no matter how hard I try to Google it.
    Pool rectangular 15'x33', 3' to 5' deep. Spa 5'x7'. Total capacity 17,000 gal. Gunite.
    Pump Hayward EcoStar SP3400VSP, 2" pvc pipes, about 40' head. Heater Hayward H250FDN. Sand filter Hayward S310T2.
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    Re: EcoStar SP3400VSP Flowrates?

    That only applies to commercial pools. The rules for residential pools are totally different.

    You want to run at the lowest speed where the skimmer(s) are happy (i.e. work well), but not slower than 1,000 RPM, for roughly four to six hours a day.
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    Re: EcoStar SP3400VSP Flowrates?

    OK. I was running at 1,750 rpm from 7:00 AM to 10:00 PM, then at 900 rpm from 10:00 PM to 7:00 AM.
    I will follow this recommendation. Should I assume to run a bit longer in the Summer? Same speed?
    Thanks.
    PS. Curiosity is still killing me though
    Pool rectangular 15'x33', 3' to 5' deep. Spa 5'x7'. Total capacity 17,000 gal. Gunite.
    Pump Hayward EcoStar SP3400VSP, 2" pvc pipes, about 40' head. Heater Hayward H250FDN. Sand filter Hayward S310T2.
    Dual lamp UltraViolet Pool, Performance Series 2. Dolphin DX3.

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    Re: EcoStar SP3400VSP Flowrates?

    I think you are on the right track now, but did you read the link I provided?

    Also of note is that we feel that UV systems are a waste of money for outdoor residential pools. When it goes bad, I would not bother with fixing it. It actually breaks down some of the chlorine and thus requires you to add more which just is extra money.
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    Re: EcoStar SP3400VSP Flowrates?

    We have lots of trees and debris. We run at 1100 for good skimming action. You can probably run a few hours am and a few pm at 1000-1100 rpm. As long as the pool is clean and the surface is skimmed you are good to go.
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    Re: EcoStar SP3400VSP Flowrates?

    So, what is the recommended turns per day? 1, 2 or 3?

    I found a posting from a couple of years ago that has a table of rpm/gpm/watts for the EcoStar. Assuming it is a decent estimate, 1,000 rpm is equivalent to 21 GPM, thus for a 17,000 gal pool it would turn 1.78 times per day. Is that sufficient?

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    The posting about the UV light bums me out, considering I spent almost $700...
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    Pump Hayward EcoStar SP3400VSP, 2" pvc pipes, about 40' head. Heater Hayward H250FDN. Sand filter Hayward S310T2.
    Dual lamp UltraViolet Pool, Performance Series 2. Dolphin DX3.

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    Re: EcoStar SP3400VSP Flowrates?

    Did you read the link in my first post?
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    Re: EcoStar SP3400VSP Flowrates?

    Best I know there are no recommended turnover rates here at TFP. I have never tried to calculate that for my pool.
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    Re: EcoStar SP3400VSP Flowrates?

    Yes, I did read the post. I guess being new I am over analyzing this...
    Pool rectangular 15'x33', 3' to 5' deep. Spa 5'x7'. Total capacity 17,000 gal. Gunite.
    Pump Hayward EcoStar SP3400VSP, 2" pvc pipes, about 40' head. Heater Hayward H250FDN. Sand filter Hayward S310T2.
    Dual lamp UltraViolet Pool, Performance Series 2. Dolphin DX3.

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    Re: EcoStar SP3400VSP Flowrates?

    You keep asking about turn overs and we keep saying they don't matter

    Just run the pump as little as you can such that the pool is clean enough for you. Note that I said clean which does NOT mean algae. Algae is prevented through adequate chlorine and not pump run time.
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    Re: EcoStar SP3400VSP Flowrates?

    OK. I will. Apologize for the obsession.
    Pool rectangular 15'x33', 3' to 5' deep. Spa 5'x7'. Total capacity 17,000 gal. Gunite.
    Pump Hayward EcoStar SP3400VSP, 2" pvc pipes, about 40' head. Heater Hayward H250FDN. Sand filter Hayward S310T2.
    Dual lamp UltraViolet Pool, Performance Series 2. Dolphin DX3.

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    Re: EcoStar SP3400VSP Flowrates?

    Sometimes it is hard to overcome the pool store mantras. But, going in to my 4th season of TFPC I have full confidence. You will be there soon too. Seeing clear water and consistent test results will build the confidence.
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