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    Pool Quote - Please Review & Input

    So we are down to the final negotiations with our most preferred builder. Very similar to a previous quote with the exception that this builder uses Hayward equipment.

    Let me know if yall have any input/suggestions.

    Thank you!

    POOL
    POOL SIZE: 15’ X 49’
    PERIMETER: 144 LN.FT.
    AREA: 773 SQ.FT.
    BENCH : 2
    STEPS : 2
    DEPTH : 3 ½’ – 6 – 3 ½’
    TILE : 2” X 2” Frost Proof Decorative Tile. Tile markers on steps and benches.
    COPING : 1’ of TRAVERTINE AROUND ENTIRE POOL
    PLASTER : PEBBLE TEC/PEBBLE SHEE – TIER # 1
    DECK : 1000 SQ.FT. OF TRAVERTINE TILE (CEMENT BASE), VERSAILLE PATTERN, WITH ALL DRAINAGE


    STRUCTURE INFORMATION
    LIFETIME GUNITE SHELL WARRANTY THAT IS TRANSFERABLE TO FUTURE OWNER.
    STEEL REINFORCEMENT: 12”x18” Bond Beam – 4 Bars #4 (1/2”) continuous. Walls and Floor - #3(3/8”) 8” on center.
    GUNITE : Walls and Floor minimum 9” thick. Gunite Bond Beam 12” x 18”
    PLUMBING : 40 LN.FT. Heavy wall Schedule 40 PVC pipe size 2” for all out lines and 1 ½” in return lines. Gas Line connection if required.
    SKIMMERS: 2
    RETURNS: 10
    MAIN DRAINS: 2


    POOL EQUIPMENT
    FILTER: 525SF CARTRIDGE
    CHLORINATOR : YES – INLINE
    OZONATOR : ULTRAPURE
    PUMP : ECOSTAR-VARIABLE
    POOL LIGHT : 2 COLORLOGIC (LED)
    CLEANER : POOL VAC ULTRA


    SPA
    SIZE :TRIANGLE SPA 12’ X 8 ½’ – RAISED 18” – 13 FT. LONG SPILLWAY – ALL EXTERIOR COVERED WITH FLAGSTONE LEDGESTONE.
    SPA PLUMBING
    JETS : 8 (4 ARE ROTATING)
    MAIN DRAINS : 2
    RETURNS : 8
    SPA EQUIPMENT
    HEATER : 400,000 BTU’S
    BLOWER : 2 HP
    SPA LIGHT : 1 COLORLOGIC

    CONTROL SYSTEM : PROLOGIC PS-8 + AQUACONNECT REMOTE POOL MANAGEMENT SYSTEM + AQUAPOD REMOTE CONTROL

    TANNING SHELF : 12’ X 8’ INCLUDES 1 LED BUBBLER + 3 BUBBLERS ON BENCHES

    RAISED WALLS : 24 FT. LONG 18” RAISED + 27 FT. LONG 12” RAISED. FRONT COVERED WITH LEDGESTONE. INCLUDES 4 – 48” SHEER DESCENTS + 1 HP TRISTAR PUMP.


    Price does include the following :
    Homeowner Association , City and any other required permits.
    Demo : Remove and haul away 512 sq.ft. of existing concrete patio, fire pit, planters and pergola
    Sewer and Water stubout for future kitchen/bathroom
    Removal and Re-installation of Fence for construction access.
    Replace any damaged grass. Repair & Cap any damaged sprinklers
    Test Kit, Brush, Net, Telescopic Pole, Hose & Vacuum Head
    Final Clean up.Start Up.





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    Re: Pool Quote - Please Review & Input

    That looks very nice. The equipment choices all look good except for the ozonator, which I recommend strongly against. Ozone adds nothing to a residential pool and is just another thing that needs attention and maintenance.
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    Re: Pool Quote - Please Review & Input

    Just a few non-pool questions:

    1) It looks like the back wall in the 3D rendering does not match the schematic. Maybe it's just the angle of the rendering, but they will go by the schematic, not the rendering, so I would double-check that.
    2) Not sure how wide the back is between the pool and wall, but we have about five feet. If you are planting behind it you will definitely want to have enough room for pruning equipment (saws etc). Looks like you won't have an enclosure, but you'll definitely want to make sure you have enough room to get back there (and enough of a vertex if you are planning to put lighting back there.
    3) The test kit, brush, etc I got with my pool was very low quality. You can do much better on your own. Not sure if they will adjust the price, but I ended up throwing my test kit away after getting the tf100 with the Taylor K1000. Much easier to read and much much more granular testing.
    4) I don't know enough about the ozonator. I got sold one, but the overwhelming majority on here say there is no need (found this forum after I signed my contract).
    5) You may want to ask about how low the sun shelf with be and how they will be doing the bubblers if lower than 12 inches. While I have only heard second-hand, the telescopic ones seem to be problematic and a bit of a maintenance nightmare. Unfortunately we only learned this from the builder (and verified with others) AFTER the contract was signed.

    I love our sun shelf (without bubblers)...if you guys enjoy the beach you will probably spend a lot of time there.

    Looks like a great design. Good luck and keep us posted.
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    Re: Pool Quote - Please Review & Input

    What price are they quoting? Location?

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    Hey ITR,

    I'm pretty sure it's just the angle of the rendering

    The easement is 7ft

    The tanning shelf is 1ft deep.



    Quote Originally Posted by ITR View Post
    Just a few non-pool questions:

    1) It looks like the back wall in the 3D rendering does not match the schematic. Maybe it's just the angle of the rendering, but they will go by the schematic, not the rendering, so I would double-check that.
    2) Not sure how wide the back is between the pool and wall, but we have about five feet. If you are planting behind it you will definitely want to have enough room for pruning equipment (saws etc). Looks like you won't have an enclosure, but you'll definitely want to make sure you have enough room to get back there (and enough of a vertex if you are planning to put lighting back there.
    3) The test kit, brush, etc I got with my pool was very low quality. You can do much better on your own. Not sure if they will adjust the price, but I ended up throwing my test kit away after getting the tf100 with the Taylor K1000. Much easier to read and much much more granular testing.
    4) I don't know enough about the ozonator. I got sold one, but the overwhelming majority on here say there is no need (found this forum after I signed my contract).
    5) You may want to ask about how low the sun shelf with be and how they will be doing the bubblers if lower than 12 inches. While I have only heard second-hand, the telescopic ones seem to be problematic and a bit of a maintenance nightmare. Unfortunately we only learned this from the builder (and verified with others) AFTER the contract was signed.

    I love our sun shelf (without bubblers)...if you guys enjoy the beach you will probably spend a lot of time there.

    Looks like a great design. Good luck and keep us posted.
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    $80,000 with stub outs and sewer for kitchen

    Houston, TX

    Quote Originally Posted by Itsjustme0770 View Post
    What price are they quoting? Location?

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    Very nice. I love the design.

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    OMG! I love that pool!
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    That is neat looking.

    This should be a fun build to watch.

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    Re: Pool Quote - Please Review & Input

    First of all, very nice looking pool. I'm envy you guys in the Houston area because i'm positive i couldn't get a pool and all that extra work done for 80,000 bucks. PB's in the Houston area must be killing each other.
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    Very nice design! From the list, I would caution on just two items:

    4 waterfalls will be a lot of white noise. Given the direction and height of the walls, it would be too much for me personally.

    The 13' spillway is gorgeous. Check the pump specs to ensure that you're not running the VS at high speed all time to achieve the spillover effect, otherwise you lose the savings impact of going with VS pump.
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    I will inquire about the Spillover.

    Thanks for the suggestions - I appreciate it.

    Quote Originally Posted by txnole View Post
    Very nice design! From the list, I would caution on just two items:

    4 waterfalls will be a lot of white noise. Given the direction and height of the walls, it would be too much for me personally.

    The 13' spillway is gorgeous. Check the pump specs to ensure that you're not running the VS at high speed all time to achieve the spillover effect, otherwise you lose the savings impact of going with VS pump.

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    make sure you have overflow drain . nice

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    Per the pool builder the Pool & Spa are on the same pump (VS Hayward).

    So spillover will depend upon the pump speed - low spillover on lower speeds - higher spillover on higher speeds.



    Is Spa/Pool generally controlled separately or in joint like this?

    I would think having spam/spill over functionality controlled independently would be more ideal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ErikU19 View Post
    Is Spa/Pool generally controlled separately or in joint like this?

    I would think having spam/spill over functionality controlled independently would be more ideal.
    Disclaimer first...I have only been researching pools for less than a year, but this is pretty typical. The way our pool was designed is that the returns can be adjusted between pool and spa. You can have both, or either one. On our pool we are satisfied and it produces enough flow for both pool and spa returns at the same time.
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    The pool and spa can be designed with one pump (fully shared), two pumps where one pump can do either pool or spa and the other is dedicated to the spa jets (partially shared), or two completely independent pumps, one for the pool and one for the spa (fully separate). Fully shared is very common these days, especially when using a variable speed pump. It costs less to install and works well on all but the largest/most complex spas. Partially shared is typically used when the spa has lots of jets, which need a lot of power. Fully separate is quite rare as it costs the most and requires more complex chemical maintenance.
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    Looks Nice! Im at the same as you cost wise and pretty happy with my price for everything I'm getting so far
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    Thanks for the detailed reply Jason.

    I assume 8 jets is typical/smaller side and I should be fine.

    Quote Originally Posted by JasonLion View Post
    The pool and spa can be designed with one pump (fully shared), two pumps where one pump can do either pool or spa and the other is dedicated to the spa jets (partially shared), or two completely independent pumps, one for the pool and one for the spa (fully separate). Fully shared is very common these days, especially when using a variable speed pump. It costs less to install and works well on all but the largest/most complex spas. Partially shared is typically used when the spa has lots of jets, which need a lot of power. Fully separate is quite rare as it costs the most and requires more complex chemical maintenance.
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    Thanks!

    Quote Originally Posted by ITR View Post
    Disclaimer first...I have only been researching pools for less than a year, but this is pretty typical. The way our pool was designed is that the returns can be adjusted between pool and spa. You can have both, or either one. On our pool we are satisfied and it produces enough flow for both pool and spa returns at the same time.

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    8 jets is what I would call medium, and yes should be fine with a single fully shared pump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonLion View Post
    8 jets is what I would call medium, and yes should be fine with a single fully shared pump.
    I think your pump is perfect for the pool / spa jets; however, I would definitely have the PB *show you* a pool with a 13' spillover and the same spec pump to ensure the spillover works as you expect. Some people prefer the waterfall effect vs trickle, so be sure you know which you should experience.
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    Re: Pool Quote - Please Review & Input

    Thanks Guys.

    Supposed to sign on Wednesday.

    What it a typical pay schedule? Here is the initial schedule in the first contract.


    Signed Contract = 2%
    Excavation = 40%
    Prior To Tile & Coping = 25%
    Prior To Decking = 15.5%
    Prior To Patio Extension = 10%
    When Finished = 7.5%

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