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    CYA too high

    My Pool CYA is high "80". I know it is caused by chlorine tablets. The pool caculater recommends pump water out and add new. Where I live water is expensive. My question is: If I switch to liquid chlorine for a while during the winter months will CYA drop on its own over time .

    FC 3
    TA 3
    CYA 80
    TA 100
    PH 7.4
    TDS 200

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    Re: CYA to high

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    In Arizona, you can probably deal with 80ppm CYA due to the heavy sun load. If that is a pool store test, your CYA could be anywhere between 0 and 300 though.
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    Re: CYA to high

    Hi Boats,
    there is some evidence, however I believe it's very well understood under which conditions CYA does break down or how quickly. Maybe someone else will chime in on that.

    The only other way to lower it obvously is through dilution. Other than draining, dilution can happen over time due to rain, overflow, top off.

    Now having said that, 80 is above the recommended level, however its not wayyyyy above recommendations.
    Your pool can be managed easily enough simply by keeping your FC level relative to 80 CYA.
    http://www.troublefreepool.com/conte...art-slam-shock

    The thing about going this route though, is that if you get lax on keeping your FC up, and you get an algae bloom, it will be much more difficult to rid yourself of the bloom with CYA of 80

    Certainly, you cannot add any more tablets until the CYA is lower, so liquid chlorine is in your future.

    If you can use only liquid chlorine for a 'good while', then eventually, your CYA will drop due to dilution from rain, albeit very slowly.

    If you dont have one, I highly recommend getting your own very accurate test kit to you can measure your chlorine daily, or at least every other day and add chlorine as needed. The TF-100 is the kit I would recommend.
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    Maybe I amissing something. 80 is in the middle of non SWG pools and didn't see where the OP has a SWCG.
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    Re: CYA to high

    Boats indicates his pool is 5k. drain and refill 2k and the CYA is around 50 ppm. How much is that water out in Sun City West?????
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabooh1 View Post
    Maybe I amissing something. 80 is in the middle of non SWG pools and didn't see where the OP has a SWCG.
    There are a few conflicting numbers on the web, so where are you seeing 80 as "in the middle of non SWG pools"?

    TFP teaches 80 as the top end of the recommended level for a SWCG pool. Non SWCG pools should be in the 30 - 50 range.

    Now, with that being said and as others have implied if water is too expensive or water restrictions prohibit a water exchange then high CYA can be managed. I started with mine at over 200 and slowly over a year I have it down to 70. That is still high for my non-SWCG pool. High CYA is going to require keeping a very close eye on FC and keeping it in proper range. Don't bother talking to pool store folks about your FC level as they think even with CYA at 100 FC should be at 3. Managing the high CYA requires thinking outside the box and capturing any rain water possible and getting it in the pool to dilute the water.
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    The range on this page (http://www.troublefreepool.com/conte...art-slam-shock) is 20-100. So 80 is in the middle.

    Looking at the table it seems ok. Reading the notes it says 80 is high. Kinda misleading.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabooh1 View Post
    The range on this page (http://www.troublefreepool.com/conte...art-slam-shock) is 20-100. So 80 is in the middle.

    Looking at the table it seems ok. Reading the notes it says 80 is high. Kinda misleading.
    that chart is basically telling you that for CYA X you need to have FC Y. It covers the entire range possible using a Taylor chemicals CYA test.

    The recommended levels are on the Recomended Levels chart
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    Re: CYA to high

    Looking online for water rates for Sun City West, it's my guess 2k of water would be less than $10.00, if that. Am I not looking in the right place?
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    Quote Originally Posted by duraleigh View Post
    Boats indicates his pool is 5k. drain and refill 2k and the CYA is around 50 ppm. How much is that water out in Sun City West?????
    Boats, is this correct, that your pool is 5000 gallons? It's in your sig as that. Just double checking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brushpup View Post
    Boats, is this correct, that your pool is 5000 gallons? It's in your sig as that. Just double checking.
    Yes 5000 gal. Although I have a Sun City West address I live in a development out side Sun City West called Cortebella. We have different water rates than Sun City West. We have been levied a very high rate to off set the building of a well. My water bill runs average $300 per month. I try to manage my water use as much as possible and do not want remove thousands of gallon if not necessary. I have a T-100 test kit.

    Thank you for the replies!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boats View Post
    Yes 5000 gal. Although I have a Sun City West address I live in a development out side Sun City West called Cortebella. We have different water rates than Sun City West. We have been levied a very high rate to off set the building of a well. My water bill runs average $300 per month. I try to manage my water use as much as possible and do not want remove thousands of gallon if not necessary. I have a T-100 test kit.

    Thank you for the replies!!
    Well, with 80 CYA if you don't want to replace water you can manage it. Regular testing and keeping FC where it needs to be with liquid forms of chlorine (bleach or higher % chlorinating liquid). As I indicated above I harvest rain water to add to the pool. We have been lucky to have rain lately, so I have had to pump out about 3" a week for the past few weeks.

    The only other option if it is available in your area is reverse osmosis, but I'm afraid if it is available it will be more expensive than your water replacement.

    For now put the tabs away and find a source for liquid.
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    Thanks for your help! Guess it comes down to pay for water or pay for chlorine. Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boats View Post
    Thanks for your help! Guess it comes down to pay for water or pay for chlorine. Lol
    As long as you stay on top of your water, you probably won't use much more chlorine. The higher CYA better protects the chlorine from the sun, reducing the loss. The big problem arises when you get algae started and you have to fight both the algae and the CYA to keep chlorine in the pool.
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    Re: CYA to high

    I agree, just stay on top of your Chlorine and it won't be an issue. Let it get low and have Algae, then you'll have a fight on your hands. A 5k gallon pool won't take much Chlorine at all to stay clean. Very easy to handle for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brushpup View Post
    I agree, just stay on top of your Chlorine and it won't be an issue. Let it get low and have Algae, then you'll have a fight on your hands. A 5k gallon pool won't take much Chlorine at all to stay clean. Very easy to handle for sure.
    I picked up some Sodium Hypochlorate 10%. It says on the pkg that you should keep the FC on a stabilized pool at 1.0 to 1.5.

    Does tha t seem low to you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boats View Post
    I picked up some Sodium Hypochlorate 10%. It says on the pkg that you should keep the FC on a stabilized pool at 1.0 to 1.5.

    Does tha t seem low to you?
    Yes, it is too low. Use the Chlorine CYA Chart for your chlorine level, but do not trust pool store results for any testing.
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    It hot places with a lot of direct sun a little higher CYA is fine actually. I found my pool was a little easier to manage on chlorine consumption with a Little higher than 50 CYA. Keep the chlorine on the high side of the scale from the calculator and you will be fine. The problem is the amount of chlorine needed to shock if you let the pool go.


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    Re: CYA to high

    Quote Originally Posted by Jabooh1 View Post
    The range on this page (http://www.troublefreepool.com/conte...art-slam-shock) is 20-100. So 80 is in the middle.

    Looking at the table it seems ok. Reading the notes it says 80 is high. Kinda misleading.
    It's not misleading if you notice the asterisk (*) on 70, 80,90 and 100 PPM (non-SWG). Directly under the table it says "* Not recommended". It lists those concentrations because some people are stuck with higher levels and it's a table showing how much chlorine to use to maintain your pool or to SLAM your pool should you have an undesirably high CYA level and not be able to lower it.
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    Re: CYA to high

    I went back and looked and see the astrick's now. I could have sworn those weren't there.

    Found something in regards to the saltwater pool as well in regards to FC. I think it is just each write up in the pool school area has different points being made so the ranges are used differently.

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