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    Excessive Spa Foaming

    Looking for some help with excessive foam on my hot tub, thanks in advance

    Marquis 390 gallon hot tub. Outdoor, new england, always covered except when in use.

    We are having excessive foam with air venturis open, no problem when jets on / venturis closed.

    tested water, changed water, added CC to get CH up to 150, tested water, complete water change again!

    Still foaming, and it never used to foam like this. I suspected a kid foam prank, but with the two water changes and the foam level did not get any better or worse, I can't really figure this one out. I am used to the foam gradually increasing over time due to small amounts of detergent in bathing suits, but this is a large amount of foam, from day 1 of the water change to day 30.

    My well has a softener to remove iron and manganese.

    I never had to increase the CH of the hot tub in the past to stop foam, but decided to try it this time, to no avail. I added CC to get the CH up to 150 the last two water changes, both which were done in the past month in order to try to stop the foam issue.

    Here are the current numbers:

    FC 4.0
    CC 0.0
    pH 7.6
    CYA 0-10 - I added 2 tbs of Dichlor so far to this water change, starting 2 days ago. Not much CYA yet.
    TA 70
    CH 150

    I normally use Great Value (Walmart) concentrated bleach (around 8.25%) and only need to use some bleach and do a very small amount of pH balancing over the 2-3 months that the water stays in the tub until the next water change. I have not had to add anything else to the tub in 2 years of using this method until the foam showed up 2 months ago. At that point I tried increasing the CH and then changing the water. Still foaming...

    Any ideas much appreciated!!
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    Re: Excessive Spa Foaming

    Someone almost certainly added some soap, or other surfactant, to the tub. Chlorine will break it down, but it may take several days.
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    Re: Excessive Spa Foaming

    Any chance the bleach you picked up at Walmart is "Splash-less" ?? I know you said "concentrated" but they do have a concentrated splash-less and that stuff would cause your porblem.
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    Re: Excessive Spa Foaming

    you know, our spa foams too. We just got it a couple weeks ago. it's not so bad when the pumps are on low but you turn it up and yikes! we're using bromine. My husband tests it and says it's okay. Ofc I have nothing to back that up and show you!
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    Re: Excessive Spa Foaming

    Thinks kiss4frog. The only bleach at Wally world last few trips was "Easy-pour". It is thicker... Is this the problem?

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    Re: Excessive Spa Foaming

    DMS2014, what values does he test and what are the numbers ??

    FC
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    pH
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    CH
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    Re: Excessive Spa Foaming

    Yep, that's the culprit. On one hand though, that foam looks pretty clean, your pipes will be clean as a whistle for winter. I would suggest you drain it, then refill it and rinse and drain again.

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    Re: Excessive Spa Foaming

    I don't know "Easy-pour" but that sure sounds like "Splash-less" with a new name and YES ...... it does foam. Let me check the Wamart web site.
    Or turn everything on (blower too) and see if you can handle all the foam as it will wear off.
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    Re: Excessive Spa Foaming

    Couldn't find it but it sounds like there is something in there that isn't wanted and it's likely whatever makes it thick also makes it foam in pools and hot tubes. In a washer there isn't as much "mixing" going on as running it through a big pump and out return fittings !!

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    Re: Excessive Spa Foaming

    Any bleach that is splashless or easy pour will have added surfactants. Surfactants do a great job of increasing the viscosity of a liquid to make it thicker and less likely to splatter and splash. However, these surfactants will also cause lots of foaming. It's a bit like adding both bleach and dishwashing liquid to your pool at the same time with these products. Spa decontamination products such as Ahh-Some contain powerful surfactants to disrupt biofilms and other residues in spa plumbing and can be very useful for decontamination.

    The other source of foaming if it's not a splashless bleach related incident can be low CH levels or organics contamination.
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    Re: Excessive Spa Foaming

    Either draining and refilling or running it enough to use up the ingredient causing the foam are your choices.

    Have you tried using a regular spa anti-foam agent and if so did it do any good ??
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    Re: Excessive Spa Foaming

    The foam away or antifoam will work, but its adding one more thing to the soup. I actually hated it in my spa, the foaming went away but always left something else in the water.

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    Re: Excessive Spa Foaming

    That splashless bleach seems to be causing problems everywhere...in pools too. It might warrant its own TFP chapter
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    Re: Excessive Spa Foaming

    You know, before I became a TFP convert, I used to enjoy a good bubble bath at the end of a long week. Sigh.
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    Re: Excessive Spa Foaming

    thanks all. That easy pour bleach was definitely the culprit. 3 water changes and switching back to regular bleach and then 3 weeks of diminishing foam seem to have gotten us back to normal.

    Kiss4, the anti foam did absolutely zero good against these bubbles and I agree I don't like adding it if I don't have to. It went out with the last water change.

    on the bright side yes the spa is quite clean!

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    Re: Excessive Spa Foaming

    You will have to find a new excuse to be groping around now that you can see
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