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    Advice on replacement pump?

    As i had mentioned before my pump seized up and just sits there and hums. I need to close my pool and planned on it over the weekend. Really bad timing as I am tight on money. The advice I got was just to replace mine since it was old. I know many suggest 2 speeds, but I really need something lower cost that will work.

    This is what I currently have,

    http://imgur.com/Au8qo0E

    Top of it,

    http://imgur.com/0Yd7C0X

    This is the one I am considering,

    http://www.hayward-pool.com/shop/en/...ump-i-pmsup--1

    I can pick one up on Amazon for 318 with free shipping. I have a few quick questions if you guys don't mine.

    1. Will this match up with my current piping?
    2. Will it wire up the same way as the old, if not are the diagrams usually easy to follow.

    Thank you very much!
    In ground (installed 2000), fiberglass, cartridge filter, Pentair Super Flo Single speed pump (2014).

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    Re: Advice on replacement pump?

    A 2 speed pump would probably pay for itself in a year. Some better pics of your whole pump including plumbing would be extremely helpful. your hayward link doesn't work
    Pool size: 24000gal inground Vinyl-Taylor k-2006 and k-1766 test kits and-speed stir
    Intermatic P1353ME digital timer w/freeze sensor
    CircuPool Si-45 SWCG System
    Polaris 280 vacuum/Polaris PB4-60 boost pump
    Pentair IntelliFlo VS 3hp Pump--Pentair sand filter

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    Re: Advice on replacement pump?

    There may (I lean towards saying "will" instead of "may") be some minor plumbing work to do the pump swap....This may go against the grain here, but Why not just replace the motor? I'd expect that would be even cheaper. Then when things improve financially you can do a full swap to a 2sp or VS.


    If you do swap the entire unit:

    Personally I'm a fan of Pentair over Hayward, but if it fits your price range I can't give you too much flak over it.

    If you can't afford the 2spd. right now, then so be it. Gotta do what ya gotta do.
    IG gunite/plaster pool/spa Started 1/17/14, Plastered 5/16/14
    Size: 12'-21'x39' free form, depth ranging from 4' to 7, attached 6 person spa with spillover.
    Equipment: Whisperflo 2hp pump, Pentair 30" sand filter, Pentair Mastertemp 400k BTU heater, 1hp Whisperflo for waterfalls, and a blower for spa floor

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    Re: Advice on replacement pump?

    There's no telling what else could be wrong with the whole system. I too was trying to save a buck and replace just the motor, but the seal plate was cracked. So I ended up replacing the whole thing (single speed) with a vs pump. Cut off the connectors to the old pump and a couple unions later I was good to go!
    Pool size: 24000gal inground Vinyl-Taylor k-2006 and k-1766 test kits and-speed stir
    Intermatic P1353ME digital timer w/freeze sensor
    CircuPool Si-45 SWCG System
    Polaris 280 vacuum/Polaris PB4-60 boost pump
    Pentair IntelliFlo VS 3hp Pump--Pentair sand filter

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    Re: Advice on replacement pump?

    Can you try this link?

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...=ATVPDKIKX0DER

    Its a Hayward SP2607X10 Super Pump 1-HP Max-Rated Single-Speed Pool Pump.

    I am confused on the 2-speeds honestly. I read a bunch of threads on here about them but still couldn't figure out how it works. I read you always run the low speed, and only the high when flushing, or if the pool skimmer isn't working well and you have a lot of **** on top of the water? Is that correct? How much more do 2-speeds cost about?

    Here is the rest of my plumbing,

    http://i.imgur.com/uccHF7z.jpg

    Thank you guys so much!
    In ground (installed 2000), fiberglass, cartridge filter, Pentair Super Flo Single speed pump (2014).

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    Re: Advice on replacement pump?

    Sounds like replacing an entire engine block when the valve cover gasket goes out...just because


    You might be able to save money on both ends if you swap to a 3/4 hp motor vs the 1hp you have now....If you don't have a hot tub or water features. (I don't see a heater is why I bring this up) The 3/4 hp should cost less upfront, and it will use less electricity. looking @ amazon it looks like they want more for a 3/4hp...so I may be only 1/2 right on this one


    http://www.troublefreepool.com/conte...ol-pump-basics
    IG gunite/plaster pool/spa Started 1/17/14, Plastered 5/16/14
    Size: 12'-21'x39' free form, depth ranging from 4' to 7, attached 6 person spa with spillover.
    Equipment: Whisperflo 2hp pump, Pentair 30" sand filter, Pentair Mastertemp 400k BTU heater, 1hp Whisperflo for waterfalls, and a blower for spa floor

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    Re: Advice on replacement pump?

    Here's a pic of my installation. The red arrows are where i cut the 1.5 inch plumbing to save the screw-in connections (ribbed) and the unions to fit the 1.5 inch plumbing to and from the pump. That's how they say to run it, but I got a VS instead so I can set it for anyway I need (flexibility) You'll have to research prices. Pentair has a rebate on their vs pumps (think today might be the last day--confirmed).
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/81guugtxln...0pump.jpg?dl=0
    The only problem I see you having is the connection from the pump to the valve/filter--that's pretty tight. Then again, you have the quick remove connection on the other side of the valve so if you have enough clearance to remove the whole thing from the the quick connection to the pump it should be pretty simple.
    Pool size: 24000gal inground Vinyl-Taylor k-2006 and k-1766 test kits and-speed stir
    Intermatic P1353ME digital timer w/freeze sensor
    CircuPool Si-45 SWCG System
    Polaris 280 vacuum/Polaris PB4-60 boost pump
    Pentair IntelliFlo VS 3hp Pump--Pentair sand filter

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    Re: Advice on replacement pump?

    And here's a link to save you even some more 2speed: http://www.gosale.com/5572305/pentai...oVpxoC6bDw_wcB
    Pool size: 24000gal inground Vinyl-Taylor k-2006 and k-1766 test kits and-speed stir
    Intermatic P1353ME digital timer w/freeze sensor
    CircuPool Si-45 SWCG System
    Polaris 280 vacuum/Polaris PB4-60 boost pump
    Pentair IntelliFlo VS 3hp Pump--Pentair sand filter

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    Re: Advice on replacement pump?

    Thank you everyone for the help!

    Timerguy, the link says single speed? Am I reading something wrong?

    And as far as the wiring, is it pretty simple to wire it up?
    In ground (installed 2000), fiberglass, cartridge filter, Pentair Super Flo Single speed pump (2014).

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    Re: Advice on replacement pump?

    pretty simple. there are writeups all over. here's first one I found via google.

    http://www.inyopools.com/HowToPage/h...ient_pump.aspx
    IG gunite/plaster pool/spa Started 1/17/14, Plastered 5/16/14
    Size: 12'-21'x39' free form, depth ranging from 4' to 7, attached 6 person spa with spillover.
    Equipment: Whisperflo 2hp pump, Pentair 30" sand filter, Pentair Mastertemp 400k BTU heater, 1hp Whisperflo for waterfalls, and a blower for spa floor

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    Re: Advice on replacement pump?

    hmmm let me go back and see Yup, my google was not right But you can get the Pentair 340042 SuperFlo High Performance Energy Efficient Two Speed Pool Pump, at Amazon for $391 That seems to be the best I've seen.
    Update: that one seems to be Gone. Google this and see what you can find: Pentair 340042 SuperFlo High Performance Energy Efficient Two Speed Pool Pump,
    Pool size: 24000gal inground Vinyl-Taylor k-2006 and k-1766 test kits and-speed stir
    Intermatic P1353ME digital timer w/freeze sensor
    CircuPool Si-45 SWCG System
    Polaris 280 vacuum/Polaris PB4-60 boost pump
    Pentair IntelliFlo VS 3hp Pump--Pentair sand filter

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    Re: Advice on replacement pump?

    Timer,

    As far as single speed pumps go, there is the Haward I posted before then a Pentair 340038 SuperFlo High Performance for a little less money, both prime free 2 day shipping. If you had to choose between the two which would you go with. Secondly, I do notice now with the 1hp that the vacuum doesn't have a ton of suction. Do you think moving up an extra 1/2 horse would be a good idea, or should these pumps run better than the 11 year old one?

    The operation cost wasn't to bad and I ran the pump 24/7 pretty much all summer because I had so much debris and bugs in the pool. However the skimmer never seemed to pull stuff in that well either.

    Thanks for the advice!
    In ground (installed 2000), fiberglass, cartridge filter, Pentair Super Flo Single speed pump (2014).

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    Re: Advice on replacement pump?

    I had a choice a month or so ago. I chose a Pentair VS pump to replace my old single speed. That cost a lot more, but I'm really enjoying the flexibility. I could have bought another pentair vs for a couple hundred less, but I would have lost a lot of the flexibility. I didn't even look at a 2 speed. I would think either of the pumps you ask about would be better than our old ones were. But folks around here have a tendency to prefer the 2 speeds. That Pentair was the one I wrongly thought was a 2 speed. That is probably the best price you'll find for that pump.
    Pool size: 24000gal inground Vinyl-Taylor k-2006 and k-1766 test kits and-speed stir
    Intermatic P1353ME digital timer w/freeze sensor
    CircuPool Si-45 SWCG System
    Polaris 280 vacuum/Polaris PB4-60 boost pump
    Pentair IntelliFlo VS 3hp Pump--Pentair sand filter

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    Re: Advice on replacement pump?

    OK going to buy the pentair over the haward, if I go ahead and get a pentair 2-speed how more involved is the wiring, do I need a switch installed or does the pump have one on it?

    Thanks again, and sorry for bugging you!
    In ground (installed 2000), fiberglass, cartridge filter, Pentair Super Flo Single speed pump (2014).

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    Re: Advice on replacement pump?

    Not bugging, there are folks here that can advise you on the wiring/switch requirements. Good luck!
    Pool size: 24000gal inground Vinyl-Taylor k-2006 and k-1766 test kits and-speed stir
    Intermatic P1353ME digital timer w/freeze sensor
    CircuPool Si-45 SWCG System
    Polaris 280 vacuum/Polaris PB4-60 boost pump
    Pentair IntelliFlo VS 3hp Pump--Pentair sand filter

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