Become a TFP Supporter Pool Math Forum Rules Pool School
Results 1 to 13 of 13

Thread: Filter confusion

  1. Back To Top    #1

    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    Winter Springs, Florida
    Posts
    112

    Filter confusion

    I am a new in ground pool owner and trying to figure out exactly what I have and how to operate it.

    I had what I thought was a DE filter. I was able to find the part number and it is a Pentair 160316. I put an image of it in my post here: http://www.troublefreepool.com/threa...New-pool-owner

    After searching online for the manual, it is listed as a cartridge filter. Ok fine, it's a cartridge filter. But further reading in the manual shows the following: "When the cartridge element filter is used on new pools and after cleaning the elements, introduce into the system .5 pounds of diatomaceous earth per every 100 square feet of filter area, (a one-pound coffee can equals .5 pounds of diatomaceous earth). Mix the diatomite with water and pour it into the skimmer after the pump is primed and the system is operating. This will enhance the filtration of your water."

    So is it a DE filter or cartridge filter? Or technically both? Is it normal for cartridge filters to have DE in them? Do I actually need to do this? Where do you buy DE?

    I still need to drain some water out of the pool due to the rain we have had here lately. With this type of filter, can I use the drain that is on it? There are no other drain areas that I can find anywhere else in the system. The manual says nothing other than calling it a "drain cap assembly." If I do this, will I need to introduce DE back into the system?
    Last edited by Blivit79; 09-10-2014 at 06:44 AM. Reason: listed wrong part number

  2. Back To Top    #2
    Mod Squad JohnT's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    SW Indiana
    Posts
    9,089

    Re: Filter confusion

    Are you sure it isn't a 160316? That is a cartridge filter.

    Cartridge filters don't use DE.
    TFP Moderator
    20K Gallon 20X36 Vinyl Inground
    Hayward S244T Sand Filter with 1HP Whisperflo Pump. Liquidator C-201 and Solar Heat

  3. Back To Top    #3

    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    Winter Springs, Florida
    Posts
    112

    Re: Filter confusion

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnT View Post
    Are you sure it isn't a 160316? That is a cartridge filter.

    Cartridge filters don't use DE.
    Sorry yes, I typed it wrong. It is a 160316. However, the note I copied from the manual is direct from the 160316 manual and says to add DE. So I am safe to assume that I do not actually need to do this?

  4. Back To Top    #4
    Isaac-1's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    SW Louisiana
    Posts
    6,711

    Re: Filter confusion

    The manual talks about adding DE as a filter aid, in the case of your filter they are talking about 1/2 pound of DE (1/2 pound of DE per 100 sq ft filter size, yours is a 100 sq ft filter). Adding DE as a filter aid is common option when you need to enhance filtering with a sand filter, but I have never heard of it with a cartridge filter. With an actual DE filter you would be looking at using 10 times that much DE or more.

    Ike

    p.s. a 1 pound coffee can is a lousy way to measure DE, but is a common industry recommendation, plus in the era of plastic containers, and single size coffee packs, where does one even find a 1 pound coffee can anymore. Even those DE scoops sold in pool stores can be off by about 25-30% compared to weighing depending on densely packed they are.
    Indoor 20x40 35,000 gallon vinyl pool with 1.5 HP 2 speed Jandy FloPro pump, Hayward EC75 Perflex DE filter, 11 4x12 Techno-Solis solar panels w/ Aquasolar controller, Aquabot Turbo T Robot Cleaner. Also LMI metering chlorine dispenser pump and HotSpring Jetsetter
    I use and endorse TFtestKits TF-100 from http://tftestkits.net
    ~Remember TFP counts on your donations to keep this site ad free~

  5. Back To Top    #5

    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    Winter Springs, Florida
    Posts
    112

    Re: Filter confusion

    Quote Originally Posted by Isaac-1 View Post
    The manual talks about adding DE as a filter aid, in the case of your filter they are talking about 1/2 pound of DE (1/2 pound of DE per 100 sq ft filter size, yours is a 100 sq ft filter). Adding DE as a filter aid is common option when you need to enhance filtering with a sand filter, but I have never heard of it with a cartridge filter. With an actual DE filter you would be looking at using 10 times that much DE or more.

    Ike

    p.s. a 1 pound coffee can is a lousy way to measure DE, but is a common industry recommendation, plus in the era of plastic containers, and single size coffee packs, where does one even find a 1 pound coffee can anymore. Even those DE scoops sold in pool stores can be off by about 25-30% compared to weighing depending on densely packed they are.
    Thanks. I don't plan on using it now.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Last question I have for now is whether or not I can use the "drain cap assembly" to drain some water out after our recent rain. I haven't really looked at it to see if I can connect a hose to it though. If I do use this would I basically open it up and turn the pump on and let the water drain?

  6. Back To Top    #6
    Mod Squad JohnT's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    SW Indiana
    Posts
    9,089

    Re: Filter confusion

    Okay, I got the answer from Pentair:

    Pentair recommends adding the DE to the filter at startup on a newly plastered pool. The DE prevents the plaster dust from hardening on the cartridge.
    TFP Moderator
    20K Gallon 20X36 Vinyl Inground
    Hayward S244T Sand Filter with 1HP Whisperflo Pump. Liquidator C-201 and Solar Heat

  7. Back To Top    #7

    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    Winter Springs, Florida
    Posts
    112

    Re: Filter confusion

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnT View Post
    Okay, I got the answer from Pentair:

    Pentair recommends adding the DE to the filter at startup on a newly plastered pool. The DE prevents the plaster dust from hardening on the cartridge.
    That is great, thank you. It does mention new but also after cleaning the element. Either way, I will not be putting DE in.

  8. Back To Top    #8
    Isaac-1's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    SW Louisiana
    Posts
    6,711

    Re: Filter confusion

    I don't see any reason that you could not use the drain cap assembly to drain some water from your pool, although you probably don't want to use it for that function on a regular basis unless you install a cut off valve there.
    Indoor 20x40 35,000 gallon vinyl pool with 1.5 HP 2 speed Jandy FloPro pump, Hayward EC75 Perflex DE filter, 11 4x12 Techno-Solis solar panels w/ Aquasolar controller, Aquabot Turbo T Robot Cleaner. Also LMI metering chlorine dispenser pump and HotSpring Jetsetter
    I use and endorse TFtestKits TF-100 from http://tftestkits.net
    ~Remember TFP counts on your donations to keep this site ad free~

  9. Back To Top    #9

    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    Winter Springs, Florida
    Posts
    112

    Re: Filter confusion

    Quote Originally Posted by Isaac-1 View Post
    I don't see any reason that you could not use the drain cap assembly to drain some water from your pool, although you probably don't want to use it for that function on a regular basis unless you install a cut off valve there.
    I thought the same. I used it last night and was able to get the water level where I wanted it relatively quickly.

    I would like to put a valve there to make it easier. What sort of valve would I need to use?

  10. Back To Top    #10
    Mod Squad jblizzle's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Tucson, AZ
    Posts
    37,389

    Re: Filter confusion

    A better solution might be to add a 3-way valve between the pump and the filter that you could then use as a waste valve. You would get a higher flow rate out and would not be sending the water through the filter.

    Although I recall other members adding valves on the filter drain port ... I think they just used PVC ball valves, but they have a tendency to get stiff, difficult to turn, and the handles break.
    Jason, TFP Moderator
    18k IG pebblesheen pool, Hayward ProLogic P4 w/ T-15 SWG, Pentair 1HP 2-speed Superflo, Hayward 6020 DE filter
    500 sqft Heliocol solar panels, ThePoolCleaner, TF-100 test kit w/ SpeedStir
    Pool School + Test Kit + PoolMath = A TROUBLE FREE POOL
    If you found TFP helpful and we saved you money ... Become a TFP Supporter!

  11. Back To Top    #11

    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    Winter Springs, Florida
    Posts
    112

    Re: Filter confusion

    Quote Originally Posted by jblizzle View Post
    A better solution might be to add a 3-way valve between the pump and the filter that you could then use as a waste valve. You would get a higher flow rate out and would not be sending the water through the filter.

    Although I recall other members adding valves on the filter drain port ... I think they just used PVC ball valves, but they have a tendency to get stiff, difficult to turn, and the handles break.
    Thanks. I can physically put a valve in either location but the drain port is a lot easier as I would not need to cut anything and it is already pointing in the direction I would route the hose in anyway. The flow out of here was great as I was able to drop my water level a few inches pretty quickly last night.

    I will check out some plumbing options later.

  12. Back To Top    #12
    bobodaclown's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Lakeland, FL
    Posts
    2,351

    Re: Filter confusion

    i added a valve to my cartridge filter to drain.
    http://www.troublefreepool.com/threa...t=adding+valve
    17K Kidney Shaped Pool Concrete (Diamond Bright) Pool, 3/4 hp 2 speed 115V Sta-rite Duraglas PEA5D-180L/P2R5D-181L (Impeller C105-92PS Diffuser C1-216P), 1.5 piping, Pentair CC100 Filter , Heat Siphon 100K BTU Heat Pump Pool Heater, Flow meter Blue White Flowmeter Model No. F-30150P, Hayward Astrolight SP0581N, SWCG CalimarTitanium Edition TE45 , Dolphin Nautilus Plus with CleverClean, Lakeland Florida

  13. Back To Top    #13

    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    Winter Springs, Florida
    Posts
    112

    Re: Filter confusion

    Quote Originally Posted by bobodaclown View Post
    i added a valve to my cartridge filter to drain.
    http://www.troublefreepool.com/threa...t=adding+valve
    That is perfect and exactly what I am thinking of doing, thanks.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •