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    Problem with Pentair MiniMax (100/Natural Gas) heater

    My heater has an issue that has progressed and it is now non-functional. I've had it since 2010, it was running as expected up until this season. What I noticed was when it reached the desired (set) temperature it would click on and off rapidly, almost as if it didn't know if it should be running or not. This only happened as it reached the stopping point. It would start and run normally until that point.

    Now it will fire up for a few seconds, I can hear the sparking continue even after the gas is burning; then it immediately shuts off and gives 3 red flashes which indicate an ignition lockout.

    I've tried running the pump on high and it does the same thing, so this isn't a flow issue.

    Does this sound like an issue that could be resolved by replacing the temp sensor or ignition controller?


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    Aaron
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    Re: Problem with Pentair MiniMax (100/Natural Gas) heater

    Sounds like your ignitor/flame sensor isn't sensing flame correctly. Thus why you still hear it sparking even after its lit. Some people have been able to use a piece of emery cloth to clean it and then it works fine. If that doesn't do it then you would have to replace it. Now there is a remote possibility the control module has an issue as well but it would be cheaper to clean or replace the ignitor/flame sensor.
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    Re: Problem with Pentair MiniMax (100/Natural Gas) heater

    Thank you for your response! When time permits, I will definitely clean it.

    This season has been a bust in my area, unless cleaning is the solution it will probably be next year before it's working again.
    Aaron
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    Re: Problem with Pentair MiniMax (100/Natural Gas) heater

    Paul -- I now have emery cloth and am attempting to figure this out. Last year was pretty much over and now would be a good time to try

    Which part is the ignitor/flame sensor that can be cleaned??






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    Re: Problem with Pentair MiniMax (100/Natural Gas) heater

    You clean the part that's sticking inside the heater.
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    Re: Problem with Pentair MiniMax (100/Natural Gas) heater

    Meaning remove these two screws and wipe the part that's on the other side of the plate as if I'm sanding it? I'll take a look at it tonight. I really appreciate your help!

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    Re: Problem with Pentair MiniMax (100/Natural Gas) heater

    Yep you got it.
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    Re: Problem with Pentair MiniMax (100/Natural Gas) heater

    I'm half way there (one screw removed). Not sure if I have a small enough wrench to hold the bolt behind it. One I was able to use a needle nose to hold the nut and a screwdriver on the bolt. The other was on so tight that it stripped a bit and also started cracking. I'm planning to shop for a tiny vise grip tonight. The ignitor electrode and ignition cable definitely need to be replaced, the ends are brittle and rusted. I haven't removed any extra panels to see how the ignition cable is connected on the other end, hopefully it's simple enough.
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    Re: Problem with Pentair MiniMax (100/Natural Gas) heater

    Yes looking at your pictures told me you'd be in for a fight. I would have drilled them out, if I had time and then used sell tapping screws to put it back together.
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    Re: Problem with Pentair MiniMax (100/Natural Gas) heater

    Dude, you rock!!

    I struggled through using some locking needle nose type pliers (and another vise grip to turn the screw). Replaced the hardware. Along with the new parts I ordered: Pentair 471090 Ignitor Electrode and Pentair 471092 Hi-Tension Ignition Cable. Possibly could have done it without a new cable, but the tab on the old electrode was rusted and probably stuck. I didn't bother trying to salvage it.

    Started right up, good as nearly new!

    Solar cover is on with the heater running, hopefully we will be in tomorrow cleaning!
    Aaron
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    Re: Problem with Pentair MiniMax (100/Natural Gas) heater

    Glad you got it working. Enjoy the warm water! Stay safe this holiday weekend.
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